This isn't an NDE, maybe I'll move it to the right place later
William P Experience 5/5/2021
https://www.oberf.org/william_p_prayer.pdf
Quote: One second, two seconds, three seconds passed, but there was no impact! No sound of ripping, shrieking metal! No agony of burning flesh! What? Was I dead? No, I was not dead, but I suddenly realized that I had no fear. I was at peace. This is really difficult to explain. I opened my eyes to see that I was still sitting in the pilots seat of the small aircraft, which was now on the ground, and hurtling down the runway at over 100 mph!! But-who-what-how? My mind was electrified with a thousand thoughts, one of which, “I never felt the aircraft touchdown upon the runway!!”
One of the most dramatic demonstrations of the power of prayer
Maybe one for
and
(2021-06-04, 09:19 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe one for @Stan Woolley and @Brian
I just don’t know, really nothing more I can say.
(2021-06-04, 09:19 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't an NDE, maybe I'll move it to the right place later
William P Experience 5/5/2021
https://www.oberf.org/william_p_prayer.pdf
Maybe one for and
I like it when people mention me.
I don't know the full context of this event but I often find myself still hanging on to the vestiges of Christian fundamentalism and thinking that something can't have been God because the person made no claims to be Christian. Then I have to force myself to remember that God cares about everybody. Anyway, that's an aside - I don't know yet whether this person identifies as Christian or otherwise but I will have a good read of this. It sounds really interesting.
(2021-06-04, 09:52 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: [ -> ]I just don’t know, really nothing more I can say.
I was trying to construct a mental map of the described route of the aircraft, and its last known position/orientation before the next known location and orientation. I didn't do a very good job. Incidentally, I tried to find the airfield in question. The best I could find was
a reference which stated "
Boardman Air Park was evidently closed at some point between 1970-72" which just fits the timescale (1971). The area is now apparently houses. Just south of that area is some woodland, labelled (I'm not making this up!) Hitchcock Woods. To the north is hwy 224, running east-west. Lake Erie is to the north.
(2021-06-05, 10:53 AM)Brian Wrote: [ -> ]I like it when people mention me. I don't know the full context of this event but I often find myself still hanging on to the vestiges of Christian fundamentalism and thinking that something can't have been God because the person made no claims to be Christian. Then I have to force myself to remember that God cares about everybody. Anyway, that's an aside - I don't know yet whether this person identifies as Christian or otherwise but I will have a good read of this. It sounds really interesting.
I definitely found it interesting. As you will notice, the writer does quote a verse from John which suggests at least a Christian context.
(2021-06-04, 09:19 PM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]This isn't an NDE, maybe I'll move it to the right place later
William P Experience 5/5/2021
https://www.oberf.org/william_p_prayer.pdf
Maybe one for and
That was an amazing read! One minute he's upside down and out of control with his eyes closed and the next, he is the right way up on the runway without any knowledge of what happened in between! No wonder all he felt like doing was praising God.
This is an old NDE account, but I wanted to share it for reference.
(Maybe it is already in another post, I didn't find it)
After reading a
post by Tim in another thread, I realised that it mentioned a case I'd previously come across.
In particular, this is an example of an NDE where a
living rather than deceased person is encountered during the experience.
Amanda Cable NDE During Childbirth
Quote:There is a picture on my mantelpiece which never fails to send a shiver down my spine. It shows my five-year-old daughter, Ruby, on her first day at school - with an unmistakable beam of pride and excitement on her face.
Her face is shiny and scrubbed, her dark hair is tied in neat bunches and she is wearing her new uniform for the first time.
It's the sort of first-day photograph which sits in living-rooms across the country. But while other mothers gaze fondly at such snapshots, I go cold at the sight of mine.
Because hours before Ruby posed so proudly for this picture, I had nearly died on the operating table.
I lost so much blood my pulse stopped and, as doctors fought to save me, I had the most extraordinary experience.
Somehow, and in some way, my young daughter led me back to life. More extraordinarily, she appeared just as she was to look a few hours later, on her first day at school - even though I had never seen her dressed that way before.
The experience has changed my life and way of thinking for ever. A complete cynic, I have never consulted psychics, never read astrology pages and have no superstitions.
I've read accounts of near-death experiences but have always dismissed what they say happens as being due to chemical changes within the brain as vital organs shut down.
Another link:
Why the day I ‘died‘ taught me how to live: Like most, Amanda Cable was sceptical about an afterlife... until a near death experience changed everything
(2022-08-25, 11:59 AM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]In particular, this is an example of an NDE where a living rather than deceased person is encountered during the experience.
And one in which 'sceptics' like Augustine will gleefully point out the fact that the child was obviously not a deceased relative. There are a continuing number of these (small precentage) and this one matches quite well with one notable one I rememeber well from 'Recollections of death', whereby the guy's whole family (his children) were in front of him in a/the tunnel.
We are not allowed (by sceptics) to suggest that the intelligence behind the universe is simply trying to remind the individuals that they can't leave yet, they have responsibilities and must go back.
Amanda's NDE also has remarkable observations (the hair of her child in bunches) which she couldn't have known about, but of course, she's obviously mistaken about that and actually did know, or she's lying. Obviously.
(2022-08-25, 12:34 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]And one in which 'sceptics' like Augustine will gleefully point out the fact that the child was obviously not a deceased relative. There are a continuing number of these (small precentage) and this one matches quite well with one notable one I rememeber well from 'Recollections of death', whereby the guy's whole family (his children) were in front of him in a/the tunnel.
We are not allowed (by sceptics) to suggest that the intelligence behind the universe is simply trying to remind the individuals that they can't leave yet, they have responsibilities and must go back.
Amanda's NDE also has remarkable observations (the hair of her child in bunches) which she couldn't have known about, but of course, she's obviously mistaken about that and actually did know, or she's lying. Obviously.
It occurs to me that the explanation might more likely be along the lines of the spirit inhabiting and experiencing life through the Ruby child human being sensed her mother's moment of great need, and chose to appear to her for reassurance and hopefully to change her skeptical materialist orientation.
(2022-08-25, 12:34 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]We are not allowed (by sceptics) to suggest that the intelligence behind the universe is simply trying to remind the individuals that they can't leave yet, they have responsibilities and must go back.
I think proponents also get tripped up by cases like this, or when a wound in a past life can cause a disability in the current incarnation.
As much as we might not like to think about it, it seems plausible that in some cases the NDE itself is something of a "siren's song" that as you put it has to be intentionally weighted against by reminders of loved ones that still need you.
So whether it's NDEs or Reincarnation, it seems - again in some cases - that there is a natural phenomena that one has to work with much in the same way technology has to get around the limitations imposed by physics. This seems to extend even to the questions of design in our clearly imperfect mortal existence.