(2020-09-08, 08:44 AM)Typoz Wrote: [ -> ]I'll leave the meaning or significance up to you.
However, I recently noticed a butterfly on the inside of one of my windows. I was puzzled as to how it got there. But I suspect that a caterpillar may have marched in at some time and concealed itself. Then hatched into a butterfly much later. I opened the window and it flew away.
To be perfectly honest, Typoz, I think the explanation was that I'd probably opened the window and forgotten that I'd done it, and the butterfly came in that way, not materialised out of thin air. But it was strange to see it on the wall. I can't remember if that's ever happened before, it probably has. Maybe it wouldn't be strange to some people, I dunno.
(2020-09-08, 12:26 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]To be perfectly honest, Typoz, I think the explanation was that I'd probably opened the window and forgotten that I'd done it, and the butterfly came in that way, not materialised out of thin air. But it was strange to see it on the wall. I can't remember if that's ever happened before, it probably has. Maybe it wouldn't be strange to some people, I dunno.
However it got there, I take your point. Things needn't be impossible or miraculous in order to be meaningful. Sometimes it is the context or timing which makes something significant. In my opinion it is beneficial to be able to respond to such things with a sense of wonder ocasionally.
IIRC some butterflies at least do hibernate or overwinter in nice dark places. I expect the emerge if disturbed or if the weather changes.
This one I found was reposted by the same experiencer on Reddit for their r/NDE subreddit, but I stuck with
the original post from NDERF.com. From what I read she is describing multiple NDEs that she has experienced, not just one.
The reason this one is so interesting to me is that the NDEr claims to have attempted to recreate their NDE via drugs because, although convinced, she did express some doubt. Needless to say, she was not convinced by the psychedelics/chemicals.
It's quite long and descends into a rant about these neurochemical explanations a bit towards the end but it's worth reading if she is writing truthfully:
Quote:There are very, very huge differences between the two experiences. I constantly see the argument that NDEs are induced by hallucinogenic drugs in the system. Typically, people try to use DMT as the go-to, but some say 'or other drugs in the system perhaps, which also lead to hallucinations.' I've also had mild hallucinations while on morphine for pain...
...Outside of LSD and Salvia, I have no personal experience. I have only read others' experience, and as we all know, not everyone posts every experience to the internet.
When you wake up from an NDE, it still seems real. When you come out of a trip, whether positive or negative, it was obviously a trip and that's how it feels after. Just as you wake from a dream and know it wasn't real, so do you from a 'trip'...
The drug trip takes you on a trip. When you have an NDE, you go on a journey. The difference is 'taken' versus 'going on'. Meaning one felt like it was happening to me, the other felt like I was aware, alert, and contributing directly to the experience...In trips, when you meet people, they talk to you. In my NDE, the communication was complete and instant. I KNEW their sentences in less than the blink of an eye. A full conversation happened in a flash. No one narrated or spoke aloud. 'Smiles' were more sensed and known than 'seen', as well. I knew the other person's complete emotional content. Warmth, love, connection, kindness, tenderness... it was all embedded in that sense of a 'smile'. NDE'rs often use the very accurate word of 'a download' because you are given information that is not there one second, and is there completely in the next instant...
The NDE ends if you decide to end it. Immediately. If you are 'over' a trip, the drug just keeps working away at you, dragging your mind back into it. There's no escape until it has run its course...
...Speaking of which, DMT is the drug with the shortest duration that I know of that can be produced by the body and is a strong enough hallucinogen to produce an NDE-level intensity. It is not known to be produced in high enough levels at any time to do so (and no DMT has been found in dead human brains, only rats). But if injected externally with enough, it can cause hallucination.
If you are injected with enough DMT to produce a hallucination as intense as an NDE, your 'trip' will last a half an hour, whether you like it or not. People who die and have an NDE, if it were caused by DMT, would continue strong hallucinations of a psychedelic nature for AT LEAST a half hour. People who are resuscitated have not been known to report having a psychedelic drug trip immediately upon awakening from resuscitation. The commonly reported hallucinations do not resemble DMT hallucinations, but rather brain hypoxia hallucinations (where they are typically NOT characterized by psychedelic colors and typically have memory loss. That versus the response to DMT which is not known for causing memory loss outside of forgetting the trip itself in some cases). Hypoxia hallucinations are more like micro-seizures rather than a psychedelic trip. They rarely have the swirling/ moving hallucinations of psychedelics, either.
Unlike, for example, ketamine (in which most trips reported are negative and/or frightening), NDEs are rarely negative. Most of even the negative ones leave the person feeling positive afterward and are life-altering. Most have an impact on behavior and mental state that lasts a significant duration versus post-trip clarity which usually fades rapidly.
During the drug trips, I felt very much dispassionate...In the NDEs, I was fully integrated and there was no 'watcher' or 'observer' part of my mind.
I was 100% lucid during my NDE, while I was not in my 'trips'. Only part of my mind was aware of the world around me in my trips, and it took me quite some time to come to awareness of when I wanted to do something when I was tripping. Even the moments that I was forced to 'lucidity' by the drugs, I still felt somewhat out of my own control and often had to disregard or ignore things that kept happening against my will...My vision was not merely enhanced in the NDE, but was, for the lack of a better word, almost supernatural. Not only did I have full vision (not 360 alone--I also saw above and below myself), but I also saw colors human eyes cannot, and had synesthesia...
LSD: ...In the car, I experienced the 'breathing walls' and the typical brilliant colors. I felt the melting sensation in my body and head. I didn't really like it, but I didn't hate it. I did, though, enjoy the 'breathing' look of the back seat of the car, and it did seem my vision was enhanced. While colors were more vibrant, they were not any that you can't see with your human eyes.
The journey through the store was eventful and ugly. My friend broke something, I tried to get her to let me buy it (I was raised that if you break it, you buy it). She refused and they took her back to the back room with Security and she was banned from all K-Marts for life. I sat out in front waiting for her, still tripping and struggling against the hallucinations that kept coming over me. I did not go on any what I might call 'mystical journeys' as I did in the first salvia trip.
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Salvia 1: My first trip on salvia divornum was extremely pleasant. I had put on some Beethoven and I experienced it with a very mild sense of synesthesia (particularly as compared to the NDE synesthesia). I could 'see' the music. I also became aware of the fact that sound actually has physical presence. For some reason, I thought this to be the most AMAZING realization. That although it travels through walls, it's physical (waves of sound). I then saw a hallucination that I was on a psychedelically brilliant shore inside a house while it rained outside. I saw the ocean as the most vibrant blue possible, the waves peaked by brilliant white, the fire crackling on the hearth as spectacularly brilliant and sinuous and slowed down in the most beautiful way. The trip was very short, which is one of the reasons why I chose it (as well as it is legal in my state). The come-down was quite gentle. It was a very pleasant experience, but it was definitely a 'trip' and that was how it felt during and after.
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Salvia 2: In this 'trip', I experienced the 'physically melting' sensation, which I had not the first time. I felt like the top of my head was melting off into drips like brilliant wax. I found it extremely uncomfortable. As I began to become uncomfortable, I kept imagining people coming into the room to help me. As soon as I realized they weren't really there, they vanished and the next person would enter the room. This happened several times, upsetting me each time. It was always someone I would NOT want to have come into the room when I felt vulnerable and incapable of defending myself. Now, it was a very uncomfortable experience, but I did finally manage to get up from the bed and go call a friend. I ended up getting quite a bit too open with him, and regret having told him most of what I did...
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Morphine: I was given morphine in the hospital. Previously, I had only experienced a few minor hallucinations like walls swirling slightly, or chairs moving in a sort of waving seaweed way for a second or two. However, this particular time, I felt like I couldn't breathe, and the more I tried to shake the feeling, the more intense it became. I began to search for what was pressing down on my chest. Part of me rationally knew there was nothing there, and that I was breathing, but I continued to hyperventilate and the walls kept moving in towards me in my peripheral vision. I finally just endured it in silence, constantly forcing myself to stop trying to get the hospital gown off to stop it from choking me. I do not want to have morphine ever again. It felt like HOURS that I couldn't breathe even though my blood oxygen saturation was perfect.
If she is being honest and truthful about her experiences then this is quite notable imo. The trouble is that NDERF has had its fair share of plagiarised or fraudulent NDEs, but her cross-posting of this onto another social media platform open to criticism (and notoriously, skepticism) does lend her accounts a bit more credibility IMHO. Additionally, she claims to have had several, which naturally raises suspicion.
Edit: Hopefully I've condensed this down enough given I felt there were a lot of important statements she makes. I'll adjust of further if necessary.
(2020-11-30, 06:25 PM)OmniVersalNexus Wrote: [ -> ]This one I found was reposted by the same experiencer on Reddit for their r/NDE subreddit, but I stuck with the original post from NDERF.com. From what I read she is describing multiple NDEs that she has experienced, not just one.
The reason this one is so interesting to me is that the NDEr claims to have attempted to recreate their NDE via drugs because, although convinced, she did express some doubt. Needless to say, she was not convinced by the psychedelics/chemicals.
It's quite long and descends into a rant about these neurochemical explanations a bit towards the end but it's worth reading if she is writing truthfully:
While your elaboration on the attempted chemical recreation of the experience is a valid topic, please accept my apology for bypassing it here.
What interests me more is the content. A couple of points stand out for me.
One, a proposed reason for the existence of consciousness within the material world was to resolve a philosophical paradox. To an unlimited being, all things are possible. Including being limited. So the material world and our own place within it is to manifest a limitedness and thereby resolve the paradox. I guess I didn't express that very well, and it may be better to refer to the original.
Two, that by our doing whatever it is we do here, any of us, each of us, all of us, we somehow enable the rest of existence, beyond this material world, to also exist.
I'm not sure I find either of these fully satisfactory, though for me it was the most interesting part.
Gregory Shushan now has an account on Medium. His latest post was from November, which covers a few specific examples of NDE reports:
https://gregory-shushan.medium.com
Quote:To quote my most recent book, [i]Near-Death Experience in Indigenous Religions[/i], NDEs are:
Quote:…spiritually interpreted episodes that individuals report having experienced during periods of clinical death or near-death. Though accounts vary greatly, typical features include sensations of leaving the body and existing in quasi- physical form; entering and emerging from darkness; bright light; visiting another realm; meeting deceased relatives; encountering beings that some associate with a particular religious figure; evaluation of one’s earthly life; feelings of joy, peace, oneness, transcendence, or unity; impressions of having returned “home”; exceptionally vivid awareness; reaching barriers or limits; clairvoyance or precognition; a return to the body sometimes following instructions to do so; reluctance to return; and subsequent positive transformations of the revived individual.
He claims to be planning on posting more about his work so it might be worth keeping tabs on.
Hadn't seen it posted anywhere yet. PSI Encyclopedia published a really knock out of the park article on paranormal features of NDEs, using a bunch of stuff from The Self Does Not Die.
www.tinyurl.com/yhpuq6zz
Pretty crazy when you can see them all on a page together. Can also understand why Rivas doesn't think so highly of super psi explanations.
(2021-05-12, 10:01 AM)Smaw Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty crazy when you can see them all on a page together. Can also understand why Rivas doesn't think so highly of super psi explanations.
Some of the cases do seem like some sort of psi to me. At any rate during an NDE a person does have the ability to acquire knowledge, such as what someone else is thinking, or what is taking place at a distance. The first of those, perceiving someone else's thought would fit the term psi I think. The question regarding things happening at a distance is perhaps a question of whether we consider someone left their body and travelled to the other location in order to observe what was taking place. In my opinion, having evaluated the evidence, I think the person - or their soul (or choose any word you prefer) really does make that journey. There are factors such as the viewpoint, not just gathering information, but viewing it from a specific position, that's one. Another is that sometimes there is some sort of perception of 'something' by someone else, a witness. The latter is less common, since it is dependent not just on the capabilities of the NDE experiencer, but of the other living person involved, who may, even if temporarily, have some sort of ability to see beyond the physical.
But if the term super-psi is used in order to argue against survival, then no, I don't agree with that. It just seems too convoluted, like the contortions of someone trying to avoid having to admit they were wrong about something. If we ever watch that scenario unfold, from an outsiders perspective it can often take on a certain comedy value.
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