Words of encouragement from scientism

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Well, only replying to the OP even though I know more discussion has been happening, I haven't followed it all. I would've been a lot less nice than Malf and Steve001 had I replied earlier. As basically, the only thing I ever see in people who have this addictive need for externally defined "Meaning" and "Purpose" is lazy adult children who can't be bothered to just live their own lives and make their own decisions. Without some leader to follow, they just seem to break down.

I for one have no need for any meaning or purpose other than whatever I feel like at the time. I can make my own decisions and choose what I find meaning in for myself. I don't care what the universe or anything else has to say about it, they're not me, so their opinion fundamentally doesn't matter on the issue unless I decide it does. Besides, I'd much rather be objectively nothing but a temporary scum on a random ball of dirt in a universe that just happens to exist with rules that are merely incidental in nature than be constrained by the will or desires of something conscious holding me down or forcing me down one path or another. Largely because I have this apparently mythical, rare thing called self respect.

I don't really care what other people do with their time or effort or what they find meaning or purpose in, but if they interfere with mine or someone elses, they shouldn't be too surprised at the consequences.
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(2020-04-17, 01:54 AM)Steve001 Wrote: Science progresses while philosophy stagnates.
Steve001 wants to take the P out of PHD
(2020-04-17, 08:03 PM)Mediochre Wrote: I don't really care what other people do with their time or effort or what they find meaning or purpose in, but if they interfere with mine or someone elses, they shouldn't be too surprised at the consequences.
Lighten up Francis.
(2020-04-17, 12:12 PM)fls Wrote: Well, to be fair, I'm not sure how it could be any other way. Science builds on discovery, which means that you are continually restarting from a higher and higher point of knowledge. Philosophy builds on human thinking, which hasn't changed for 200,000 years. It's interesting how the age of social media has revealed this.
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It could be different if certain metaphyicians would incorporate what's known about the natural world and not have a misunderstanding of certain specific aspects of Quantum Mechanics. Which brings me to this. 
That won't stop some from continuously pitting materialism against materialism. While people steadfastly argue their sacrosanct philosophical bailiwick is a true representation of reality, the Covid 19 virus comes along to remind them the definitively true ism is not any ism at all. In fact it should remind them that they are no different than any other animal whose sole goal everyday is to survive to see the next. But I suspect they will be blind to that glaring self evident truth.
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(2020-04-17, 10:51 PM)Steve001 Wrote: While people steadfastly argue their sacrosanct philosophical bailiwick is a true representation of reality,
Not you of course.
(2020-04-17, 10:51 PM)Steve001 Wrote: In fact it should remind them that they are no different than any other animal whose sole goal everyday is to survive to see the next.
I wonder why we have to survive.  Where did this need come from?
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(2020-04-17, 11:05 PM)fls Wrote: Isn't it the "Ph"? I don't disagree with that. Of course, it just reflects the history of science, rather than the current reality. When we started doing science, we didn't have "science" and "scientists", we had "natural philosophers". Who knew it would take off as well as it did, given how poorly the rest of philosophy had performed.

Linda
Well corrected.  The rest of philosophy tackles things that science cannot.  I think it has come a long way indeed.
(2020-04-17, 10:51 PM)Steve001 Wrote: That won't stop some from continuously pitting materialism against materialism. While people steadfastly argue their sacrosanct philosophical bailiwick is a true representation of reality, the Covid 19 virus comes along to remind them the definitively true ism is not any ism at all. In fact it should remind them that they are no different than any other animal whose sole goal everyday is to survive to see the next. But I suspect they will be blind to that glaring self evident truth.
What?
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