The Science of Channeling

The Science of Channeling (Link goes to video which I can't seem to embed here)

A Conversation with Dr. Helané Wabeh 

[i]Helané Wahbeh, ND, MCR, is the Director of Research at the Institute of Noetic Sciences and an adjunct assistant professor in the Department of Neurology at Oregon Health & Science University. Dr. Wahbeh is the author of some 100+ peer-reviewed publications and the book The Science of Channeling: Why You Should Trust Your Intuition and the Force That Connects Us All.[/i]

I'm not a fan of letting whatever take over your mind and mouth, or hand in writing.

I have never, ever, seen anything helpful from any of these sessions, perhaps with the exception of Edgar Cayce.

What has she ever produced that is of any value to mankind? What has channeling ever produced that is fact or Psi related?

I personally think it is not a talent, or a skill, and is possibly a very dangerous practice.

This is a serious question. Not just being an arse.

I'm talking along the lines of this practice supplying actual information, healing, technology, or anything else that would make you stop and think, or astound you.

I see nothing. Prove that this has any value.

I'm not a fan of letting whatever take over your mind and mouth, or hand in writing.

I have never, ever, seen anything helpful from any of these sessions, perhaps with the exception of Edgar Cayce.

What has she ever produced that is of any value to mankind? What has channeling ever produced that is fact or Psi related?

I personally think it is not a talent, or a skill, and is possibly a very dangerous practice.

This is a serious question. Not just being an arse.

I'm talking along the lines of this practice supplying actual information, healing, technology, or anything else that would make you stop and think, or astound you.

I see nothing. Prove that this has any value.

It has value in that it can bring closure for those mourning the deceased.

Your rhetoric suggests that you have little to no meaningful understanding of the subject:

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/mental-mediumship-research/

Mental Mediumship Research

Communication with the deceased is a normal and useful aspect of cultures all over the world. Although it is possible for anyone to experience communication from the deceased, a medium is someone who has this experience regularly, reliably, and often on-demand. Here, research performed since 2001 with mental mediums is reviewed.

Background

The phenomenon of mediumship, experiences of communication with the deceased, has been reported across cultures throughout the world since antiquity.1 This task may be performed by special members of the community, called shamans. Only relatively recently have Western cultures shown interest in individuals with these abilities, now often called mediums, psychic mediums, or spirit mediums.

Mediums can be defined as individuals who report experiencing regular communication with the deceased.2 Psychics, on the other hand, convey information about people, events, places, or times unknown to them but not about the deceased. It is often said that all mediums are psychic but not all psychics are mediums. In addition, although it is possible for anyone to have mediumistic and/or psychic experiences, only those who have these experiences regularly and reliably are accurately termed mediums or psychics.

Two main types of mediumship exist – physical and mental – and the states of consciousness that occur during either may be ‘arrayed along a continuum from waking states to trance states … of varying depth and levels of dissociation.’3 Thus, referring to any individual medium or event with the descriptors ‘trance’ or ‘waking state’ does not accurately reflect the current understanding of the phenomena. During physical mediumship, phenomena occur such as independent voices, paranormal lights, apports (objects that mysteriously appear), the levitation or movement of objects, appearance of ectoplasm, and raps on walls or tables.4 The purpose of mental mediumship is to convey messages (usually verbally) from deceased people or animals (‘discarnates’) to living people (‘sitters’) during a specific event (a reading). Various aspects of research with mental mediums are discussed below.

It has value in that it can bring closure for those mourning the deceased.

Your rhetoric suggests that you have little to no meaningful understanding of the subject:

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/mental-mediumship-research/

We must then agree to disagree. Mediumship is not channeling to me, they are distinctly different.

A Medium isn't possessed by something and no longer in control. Simple difference. Channeling is allowing something else to posses you.

Again with the members of this site stating things like "you have little to no meaningful understanding of the subect"

Then expecting me to be calm and civil while you sling mud and act pompous. It is no wonder this forum struggles to stay alive or keep members.
I have thick skin, bring it on.

We must then agree to disagree. Mediumship is not channeling to me, they are distinctly different.

A Medium isn't possessed by something and no longer in control. Simple difference. Channeling is allowing something else to posses you.

Possession is a subset of mediumship. Mediumship can be considered a subset of channeling.

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/artic...l-context/

In the ethnographic literature, the term ‘spirit possession’ is often used to describe what parapsychologists refer to as ‘mediumship’. A standard parapsychologicical definition of ‘spirit medium’ might be: ‘A person who regularly, and often at will, receives purported communications from the dead (‘mental medium’) and/or causes physical materializations (‘physical medium’).’1

By contrast, in the parapsychological literature the term ‘spirit possession’ seldom refers to mediumship, as it carries connotations of involuntary and demonic possession, while mediumship is usually held to be a voluntary and deliberately initiated activity.

It is also clear that the term ‘mediumship’ refers to different phenomena even within the Western context. Indeed, Spiritualist mediumship, as the above definition suggests, can be broadly split into two categories. There is ‘mental mediumship’, which itself can be split into two distinct forms of clairvoyant/telepathic/clairaudient/clairsentient mediumship, often also known as ‘platform mediumship’, and trance mediumship, duringwhich the body of the medium is temporarily occupied by an ostensible spirit entity. Physical mediumship can be defined as the ‘purported ability of the medium to channel unknown energies’ to create physical changes in the immediate environment’.2

This article is mainly concerned with trance mediumship, a category to which the anthropological label of ‘spirit possession’ is well suited. The phenomena and experiences associated with platform mediumship fall closer to the anthropological category of shamanism, while the kind of physical mediumship known in the West is a surprisingly singular phenomenon, with few cross-cultural parallels.

Here the term ‘spirit possession’ will frequently be employed synonymously with ‘mediumship’, as the bulk of the literature surveyed is concerned with voluntarily-initiated spirit possession.

Again with the members of this site stating things like "you have little to no meaningful understanding of the subect"

Then expecting me to be calm and civil while you sling mud and act pompous. It is no wonder this forum struggles to stay alive or keep members.
I have thick skin, bring it on.

Sometimes. that appears to be the case. If you can demonstrate otherwise, I will happy to change my mind.

I have less and less patience with those who think they have the answers in lieu of actual experience or understanding of the literature of spiritual or parapsychological knowledge with which to refer to.

Possession is a subset of mediumship. Mediumship can be considered a subset of channeling.

https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/artic...l-context/



Sometimes. that appears to be the case. If you can demonstrate otherwise, I will happy to change my mind.

I have less and less patience with those who think they have the answers in lieu of actual experience or understanding of the literature of spiritual or parapsychological knowledge with which to refer to.

Wow, ok then, admitting to being an impatient know-it-all, while slinging mud.

I have zero patience with people who think they know it all and have all the answers based on subjective experiences that have no veridical evidence, or what some book or dictionary claims.

This is exactly why this forum is dying. You are obnoxious and intolerant, and have very little understanding other than your categorization system and book smarts.

I don't have to agree that possession by channeling is in any way the same thing as being a Medium, that's on you and your biased belief systems, and perhaps on the people who think they can toss possession in the same boat with a controlled connection to the Akashic records to retrieve information.

You just can't agree to disagree, can you? We are obviously on different planets and I look forward to disagreeing with you on practically every subject you are wrong in. The challenge of the bias, where one of us will have to come up with proof and evidence that actually supports the facts.

If you're going to have a meltdown with name calling and insults every time someone has an opinion or a different view, you are obviously not ok. Get a grip and be less of a mud slinger. You are one of the reasons this forum gets very little activity, and it is because you come down on people like an obnoxious ton of bricks and belittle, bully, and force your way or the highway. That you can't even see that is pretty obvious, and they tolerate you here and think you are educating and steering people correctly, which is also obvious BS. 

Not that I care that much. But you put the work in to create this forum, and it is a shame that it has become a perch for intolerance and belligerence.

Wow, ok then, admitting to being an impatient know-it-all, while slinging mud.

Classic projection... how sad.

I have zero patience with people who think they know it all and have all the answers based on subjective experiences that have no veridical evidence, or what some book or dictionary claims.

You assume so much about me... my answers are based on both personal experience, and reading of the literature surround the subject.

I have channeled entities at times that have spoken through my mouth ~ one time was of a tongue I barely understood, though it was with the aid of Ayahuasca. Didn't stop the words physically coming through my mouth, words I had no comprehension of, except for the bare meaning. The entity seemed frustrated that I couldn't comprehend it.

This is exactly why this forum is dying. You are obnoxious and intolerant, and have very little understanding other than your categorization system and book smarts.

Keep up the projection... I have much direct understanding of various spiritual entities, I have experienced channeling by a medium I trust and see infrequently, I have had many strange spiritual encounters. I rarely refer to books, other than for intellectual interests.

I don't have to agree that possession by channeling is in any way the same thing as being a Medium, that's on you and your biased belief systems, and perhaps on the people who think they can toss possession in the same boat with a controlled connection to the Akashic records to retrieve information.

You don't have to agree to anything ~ but the literature does admit that the distinct isn't always clear. But you assert aggressively that your definitions are better.

Mediumship is not a "controlled connection to the Akashic records to retrieve information" ~ it is a communication with deceased individuals.

You just can't agree to disagree, can you? We are obviously on different planets and I look forward to disagreeing with you on practically every subject you are wrong in. The challenge of the bias, where one of us will have to come up with proof and evidence that actually supports the facts.

You yourself seem unable to agree to disagree, amusingly...

If you're going to have a meltdown with name calling and insults every time someone has an opinion or a different view, you are obviously not ok. Get a grip and be less of a mud slinger. You are one of the reasons this forum gets very little activity, and it is because you come down on people like an obnoxious ton of bricks and belittle, bully, and force your way or the highway. That you can't even see that is pretty obvious, and they tolerate you here and think you are educating and steering people correctly, which is also obvious BS. 

I do not have "meltdowns" or "name call" or "insult" anyone or everyone with different opinions whatsoever. That appears to be what you are doing... and yet you seem unable to perceive that.

Not that I care that much. But you put the work in to create this forum, and it is a shame that it has become a perch for intolerance and belligerence.

You care far too much, rather.

Mediumship is not a "controlled connection to the Akashic records to retrieve information" ~ it is a communication with deceased individuals.

This is an obvious bias, it is likely both, depending on the situation. Do you get a busy signal when the person they are contacting is already reincarnated?

You are vehement, I will give you that.

I do not have "meltdowns" or "name call" or "insult" anyone or everyone with different opinions whatsoever.

Shall I go back and collect all of them and present them to you on a silver platter?

This is an obvious bias, it is likely both, depending on the situation. Do you get a busy signal when the person they are contacting is already reincarnated?

Why do you assume that there might be? I never assumed so. My answer is that the soul has knowledge of all the lives it has lived, and can easily present that memory of self if needed. But that doesn't make it not real.

You are vehement, I will give you that.

I get annoyed those who speak in absolutes or reductionist framings like you seem to do.

Instead of looking for common ground, you seem to vehemently assert your position.

Shall I go back and collect all of them and present them to you on a silver platter?

If you are so obsessed, yeah, why not.