The role of RNA in Spirit creating human beings

[Ninshub]

This is a question addressed to all the members in the forum who are biologically-informed and interested in Intelligent Design.

I'm not trying to find out if this information is correct (true), but if it makes sense potentially (scientifically) according what you guys (and gals?) know about biology.

I've mentioned him before but Guy Steven Needler is someone who through meditation has established purported dialogues with the highest entities in the universes (beyond that even).

I have a book by him I haven't read but that I've just perused called The History of God: A Story of the Beginning of Everything.

In it he relates his dialogues through those meditations with the different Source Entities (there is more than one) responsible for everything.

In relation to the information I want your input and possible discussion about, it's part of a chapter where he is talking to the Source Entity who is responsible for our physical universe, the one we inhabit. (There are 11 other Source Entities, and all result from another "entity", which can be called Origin.)

This is over pages 125 to 127. Guy is asking that SE (Source Entity) about who developed the human form. He says he oversaw it, but some of "us" beings were involved (us projecting ourselves into those lower levels). (Page 125).

Guy asks how did we start the development of the human form (SE is the Source Identity, ME is Guy).

SE: Small at first. You looked at creating small parts that would work with each other and that could be built upon. These needed to be programmable from Spirit and work based upon this programming.
ME: Are You talking about DNA creating cells?
SE: No, lower. I am talking about the RNA being programmed by the Spiritual program. RNA is an interface medium that exists in the higher physical and lower spiritual levels at the same time. It was the first part of the human form to be developed and, therefore, the most difficult to create and the most important. It is the part of the physical that is in contact with the auric fields at all levels.
ME: I was under the impression that RNA was the medium that transmitted the programming from DNA to the stem cells to create whatever they are destined to be, such as a liver or a heart.
SE: That is because you have only one end of the story. Your scientists have only just been able to spot the communication from the DNA to RNA. This is only one way of a two-way communication system and does not take into account the first set of information that was transmitted by the RNA to the DNA. The DNA must feed back to the RNA that it has received the correct information and that it is being passed onto the cell/s that the DNA is held within. Also, RNA is used as a communication medium between cells so they can locate each other and bind together in cells of the same type to create the bodily function they were assigned. You have to consider that many forms of information are being transmitted over RNA and other fluidic mediums, but it is only RNA that is "in contact" with Spirit from a physical point of view. In essence, since RNA is all over the body; the whole body is, therefore, in contact with Spirit, and this is what makes the human form unique. Physical, intermediate/astral, and spiritual - the three-in-one aspect that some of your religions talk about. This is trying to explain something that has been forgotten in the physical. (...)
ME: So You are saying that the most important part of the human physiology is the RNA because it allows the body to communicate with Spirit.
SE: Yes, but more importantly it allowed all of you to develop the human form in stages as you looked at what physiology and form worked best for the environment it is in.

P. 126-127. Guy Steven Needler, The History of God: A Story of the Beginning of Everything. (2011). Ozark Mountain Publishing: Huntsville, AR. (3rd printing 2019.)

I don't know if this is too vague to be "evaluated". Just thought about sharing it and getting thoughts if any.
 
On Amazon.com.

Guy's website, where you can download free stuff (he's pretty generous):
http://www.beyondthesource.org/

[Ninshub]

If anyone is interested, this is an interesting interview with Guy Steven Needler discussing on a more general level his information. The podcast and hosts are pretty New Agey, so beware those allergic. This was a live stream, so if you want to jump over the boring getting prepared and introducing the hosts stuff, it starts at 7 minutes.




Just to point also that from about 7 to 20 minutes, it's more a discussion of where he comes from and developed, and the difference in spirituality and Spiritualism in the UK and the US (he's from the UK).

He comes across as a very level-headed guy for all of the "out there-ness" of the ideas, was a mechanical engineer before he became a chartered electrical and electronics engineer. He had contact with guides at a young age, was then told by them to focus on his earthly life, until his late 30s when he re-awakened to his spiritual roles (this is from the notes at the end of his books). He then went into energy and vibrational therapy work.

Whatever one thinks of channeling or the quality of the information, there's no denying this guy was very rigorous, and extremely applied in all of his many, many, many hours of special meditative and "frequency ascending" techniques to get this "information".

This interview (and his work in general) is really a spiritual metaphysics about All That Is. Start at 20 minutes if you want to delve directly into that.

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SE: Small at first. You looked at creating small parts that would work with each other and that could be built upon. These needed to be programmable from Spirit and work based upon this programming.
ME: Are You talking about DNA creating cells?
SE: No, lower. I am talking about the RNA being programmed by the Spiritual program. RNA is an interface medium that exists in the higher physical and lower spiritual levels at the same time. It was the first part of the human form to be developed and, therefore, the most difficult to create and the most important. It is the part of the physical that is in contact with the auric fields at all levels.
ME: I was under the impression that RNA was the medium that transmitted the programming from DNA to the stem cells to create whatever they are destined to be, such as a liver or a heart.

That is not quite right. When a cell 'wants' whatever the gene makes, the gene is copied from DNA to RNA. This then leaves the nucleus and is used by the ribosomes to construct the corresponding protein (that actually does the work). The DNA in stem cells and other cells operate the same way.
SE: That is because you have only one end of the story. Your scientists have only just been able to spot the communication from the DNA to RNA. This is only one way of a two-way communication system and does not take into account the first set of information that was transmitted by the RNA to the DNA. The DNA must feed back to the RNA that it has received the correct information and that it is being passed onto the cell/s that the DNA is held within. Also, RNA is used as a communication medium between cells so they can locate each other and bind together in cells of the same type to create the bodily function they were assigned. You have to consider that many forms of information are being transmitted over RNA and other fluidic mediums, but it is only RNA that is "in contact" with Spirit from a physical point of view. In essence, since RNA is all over the body; the whole body is, therefore, in contact with Spirit, and this is what makes the human form unique. Physical, intermediate/astral, and spiritual - the three-in-one aspect that some of your religions talk about. This is trying to explain something that has been forgotten in the physical. (...)
ME: So You are saying that the most important part of the human physiology is the RNA because it allows the body to communicate with Spirit.
SE: Yes, but more importantly it allowed all of you to develop the human form in stages as you looked at what physiology and form worked best for the environment it is in.

I must admit, I find this very vague, and what does it mean to say that RNA is in contact with spirit? Above all, merely communicating information isn't really the problem - it is how this information is created.

OTH, there is something called reverse transcriptase that can copy information from RNA into DNA. This is one reason why mRNA vaccines are dangerous - they could allow genetic changes to enter our genome and potentially our germ line.

David

[Ninshub]

Thanks David. You were one of the ones I was thinking of that could reply!

Thanks Ninshub,

I'll just add a couple of extra thoughts.

My description of RNA was deliberately simplified a bit - for example there are things called INTRONS inside most genes, and these trigger some splicing and editing of the RNA chain before it is used as a template to create a protein.

The other point I'd like to emphasis is the need to explain where the code in each gene comes from. This can't possibly be the result of some sort of chance process. Nobody on Earth knows how to do it, because it is super hard. Remember that that protein chain has to fold up into a 3D structure, and it is that which does whatever it is meant to do. The parts of an enzyme that actually do the work usually involve amino acids at several points in the chain that only come together as a result of the folding process. Every change in the code results in a different amino acid on the chain, which can change the functioning of the protein, or change the way it folds - which simply creates a random mess.

If you don't explain how this information is created, you haven't explained much.

David

[Ninshub]

Probably Guy Needler didn't ask all those questions, perhaps not having the background for it! Curious to know what the answers would have been.

[Ninshub]

I see he's on Facebook if ever you want to try and contact him to see if he has any more precise information about this topic David.
https://www.facebook.com/people/Guy-Stev...901471968/

I see he's on Facebook if ever you want to try and contact him to see if he has any more precise information about this topic David.
https://www.facebook.com/people/Guy-Stev...901471968/

I'm not on any social media!

David

[Ninshub]

Discussion about calculating 3-D protein structures moved here.