The OBE. Good Goal or Playing With Fire?

Unless, of course, the whole point of your existence in physical reality is to miss the boat.

chuck
Everything you say makes sense within your current framework. But I do think that Castaneda's idea that one really needs to be a "warrior" to avoid being absorbed into the abyss following death, or as he said being eaten by the great Eagle makes some sense.  I'm not convinced we are all eternal indestructible souls. I guess as you have hinted, these selves could simply be one small part of a larger oversoul. I'm probably just over-thinking the whole thing. But I no longer feel as certain about my metaphysics as I used to. You seem very certain and that makes me wary.

I am very certain my sources for information are accurate, very simply, when you follow the conversations with extraterrestrials you are given everything you need to best run the course of this Life. When these concepts are applied, they work 100% of the time and with 100% effectiveness. But that is for you to query and your choice to know exactly what I do.

The bolded above is the fundamental difference I have with most ppl and why I spend little to no time attempting to convince, or supply proof (whatever that might be) and 'evidence'.

I have seen the term 'arrogant' thrown around in my direction, not necessarily from you, chuck, but since I have you captured in this reply, the most arrogant expression I know is one where a being denies that they exist, that they will always exist, that there is nothing you can do about this fact, and it is truly arrogant to argue with Creation over your existence.

i tend to agree with this. In the purported channeled work from the deceased Frederick Myers, he makes a similar point - that immortality is not a given and must be earned. Could be two different ways of describing a process neither could really understand.

Yeah. I tend to think that our ultimate "energy" is likely indestructible. But I can imagine the over-soul idea as a kind of tree. The over-soul might spawn any number of incarnations. And for some of those incarnations, the initial impulse might have been particularly clear and good. The incarnation "grew" in a positive way. So the original impulse is continued and the original impulse combined with the energies of the past incarnation are given a new incarnation. That limb is allowed to grow and perhaps it becomes quite strong and in time it may even grow to define the tree--it may become one the main branches.

But many impulses to life probably don't amount to much. They may be rotten or diseased, or their overall nature may not harmonize with the over-soul in the way that is pleasing. That impulse can be let go.

I like to think that these over-souls may each be unique. Musically one may be a string quartet and another may be the Sex Pistols album. Visually, one may be a huge oak tip to roots, while another may be a perfect black marble. These over-souls are likely just one layer in a fractal chain of being.

I am very certain my sources for information are accurate, very simply, when you follow the conversations with extraterrestrials you are given everything you need to best run the course of this Life. When these concepts are applied, they work 100% of the time and with 100% effectiveness. But that is for you to query and your choice to know exactly what I do.

The bolded above is the fundamental difference I have with most ppl and why I spend little to no time attempting to convince, or supply proof (whatever that might be) and 'evidence'.

I have seen the term 'arrogant' thrown around in my direction, not necessarily from you, chuck, but since I have you captured in this reply, the most arrogant expression I know is one where a being denies that they exist, that they will always exist, that there is nothing you can do about this fact, and it is truly arrogant to argue with Creation over your existence.

As I tried to explain more fully in the post just previous, I don't really think every single human incarnation impulse or soul lasts through eternity. I think in some cases the energy embodied in that soul is reabsorbed like leaves or a fallen branch nourishes the very tree they came from. Not lost, just re-distibuted into the system.

i tend to agree with this. In the purported channeled work from the deceased Frederick Myers, he makes a similar point - that immortality is not a given and must be earned. Could be two different ways of describing a process neither could really understand.

You have that right, neither understood.

Earning what is rightfully yours, this is amusing and inherently futile. "Earn" indicates a judgment must be made (by whom, what?) based on (what?) criteria and wherein was this criteria judged as accurate (and by whom?)? And on and on...immortally.

As I tried to explain more fully in the post just previous, I don't really think every single human incarnation impulse or soul lasts through eternity. I think in some cases the energy embodied in that soul is reabsorbed like leaves or a fallen branch nourishes the very tree they came from. Not lost, just re-distibuted into the system.

Are You immortal? The unique You? Do You expire?

I am very certain my sources for information are accurate, very simply, when you follow the conversations with extraterrestrials you are given everything you need to best run the course of this Life. When these concepts are applied, they work 100% of the time and with 100% effectiveness. But that is for you to query and your choice to know exactly what I do.

As kooky as this sounds I don't disagree with you. But I still think your knowledge is relative to this particular system of life. It's like you left Plato's cave and you have all the answers. But my gut is that reality is like a matryoshka doll. You're still inside another cave. And when you see outside that cave...Another cave.

Are You immortal? The unique You? Do You expire?

I believe that some part of my energy is eternal. But that has very little to do with this personality as most people think of it. I think the "self" is an illusion of psychology.

As kooky as this sounds I don't disagree with you. But I still think your knowledge is relative to this particular system of life. It's like you left Plato's cave and you have all the answers. But my gut is that reality is like a matryoshka doll. You're still inside another cave. And when you see outside that cave...Another cave.

Obviously, I don't have all the answers otherwise I wouldn't be here on Earth. It would be pointless and Creation doesn't do anything that is pointless.

What I do have are very simple set of rules and mostly only one focus. With a simple foundation on which to live, learning becomes automagickal. On a PM with Member, I told him everything he or I need to understand could all be written on  the front of an 8"x11" piece of paper.

I believe that some part of my energy is eternal. But that has very little to do with this personality as most people think of it. I think the "self" is an illusion of psychology.

I read somewhere that the word ‘personality’ originates from the idea of a mask. In that sense, it sounds like you may be onto something - your personality is perhaps the mask worn by something more permanent.

I read somewhere that the word ‘personality’ originates from the idea of a mask. In that sense, it sounds like you may be onto something - your personality is perhaps the mask worn by something more permanent.

One of the modern non-dual gurus has an interesting inquiry. It is on youtube, but I can't remember the name of the guru or the inquiry.

It is simple but very powerful. You simply inquire about all the parts of you and ask, "Is that you?"

Your name? Is that really you. The real you? Your hair color? Your wealth? Your temperament? Take each sliver of what people define as themselves and ask your self deeply and fully if that attribute is the real you. 

At the end there isn't a whole lot left. Most of it is just a story you have constructed in order to prop up your ego. It's not really an inquiry that you do with any seriousness if you don't want to disrupt your sense of self fairly deeply. 

I believe that is why so many gurus seem divorced from their original identity. They come to realize that there is nothing there. They are an "actor on the stage." 

But at the end there is something left. So they say anyway.