Super-Psi & some notes from Braude's Immortal Remains

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(2024-07-29, 02:54 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: -- Rawlette, Sharon. Beyond Death: The Best Evidence for the Survival of Human Consciousness

Reading Rawlett's Bigelow essay, she mentions the Intermission Memories of children finding their parents but also other Pre-birth memories. I had briefly mentioned the Mandy case in my prior post because it was so extensive it would violate the forum rules [to quote such a large section of the copyrighted work], however in her publicly domain Bigelow essay the case is summarized well:

Quote:This next case comes from Hertfordshire, England, and was reported by Mary and Peter Harrison in their book The Children That Time Forgot. It involves a young girl, Mandy Seabrook, who appeared to be the reincarnation of her sister who had died at the age of five months. Even though the family never spoke about her deceased sister, when Mandy was two years old, she started recounting memories of having been this other child. One day, while riding past the cemetery where her sister was buried, two-year-old Mandy exclaimed, “Look, Mummy! That’s the place you put me in the ground that time, and you nearly fell on top of me, remember?” At the time of the burial, her mother had been taking medication to help her deal with the shock, and she had been so out of sorts that she had lost her balance at the graveside and almost fallen into the hole with the coffin. Mandy also said she’d been buried with a silver bracelet and a fluffy yellow ball. Her mother remembered the existence of the bracelet and the yellow ball, but she only remembered the former being in the casket. Nevertheless, when questioned, an older sibling confessed to having slipped the yellow ball under the dead baby’s body.

One other interesting aspect of this case is that, when Mandy was six, she asked her mother, “Do you remember the night I died? There was a bright star shining in the sky.” When her mother thought back, she realized that she had in fact noticed a star out over the garden, unusually bright and low, and had mentioned it to someone else at the time. Mandy continued, “That was my star. It was my way of telling you that I would be back.” This is the only case I’ve come across in which a child remembered using a sign or synchronicity to communicate after death in their
previous life.

I think this is a pretty challenging case for Super Psi, though I think other Pre-birth cases are even more difficult because they involve children recalling the actual time of their conception (apologies for the crudity but I think it's best to read the descriptions of these cases) ->

Quote:One grown woman remembered her whole life having a vision of herself floating above her parents in a mountain cabin, feeling love and excitement. As an adult, she finally decided to mention her vision to her mother and described in detail the cabin she’d seen. It turned out this was the place her mother and father had secretly made love for the first time, a week before their wedding, although they’d always said she’d been conceived on the wedding night.
 
Quote:...Her mom insisted she needed to put in her diaphragm, but he said not to worry about it. “I can remember that,” says Nan. “I thought, ‘Now is my chance. Here is my door.’” When she was an adult, Nan finally told her mom about this memory and had it confirmed that she and Nan’s father had had sex in the bathroom at lunchtime and that it was the one time they didn’t use a diaphragm...

Quote:An older gentleman named Rennie, who had a distinguished career as a U.S. Air Force pilot and intelligence officer, reports that when he was seven, he mentioned to his mother that he remembered where he was before he was born. Then he asked her, “Was I placed with you and Dad when you were in the front seat of a car?” She brushed him off, calling his suggestion “indecent.” But in his mid-20s, he asked his parents about it again. Specifically, he asked if they’d conceived him in the front seat of their 1917 Overland. They were embarrassed to discuss it, but when he told them the details he remembered—how they’d opened the car door and his mother had checked to be sure Rennie’s sister was asleep in the back—they confirmed everything he said.

I don't think there's any good LAP explanation for any of these. In the Mandy case you can say her Mom either fudged her own [and then later Mandy's] memories or used PK to make the star and then implanted said star & the memories of the funeral for the five month old in a daughter she had later....as ridiculous as that seems it least has a motivation....

But in the pre-birth cases mentioned above, how many parents would psychically imprint memories of sexual encounters into their children's minds? In the Rennie case he even gets an initial strong denial from his mother [and later his parents are embarrassed and don't want to talk about it until he verifies some specific details]. In the case of being conceived just before marriage in a cabin this is again something you would not expect a parent to want to psychically write into their child's mind.

Note that the Pre-birth Memories also include CORT Intermission Memories as a subset. This ties into something Chris Carter said, that the strength of Survival evidence as a whole is the way the different types of evidence intertwine.

Super Psi advocates would have to try and claim that while sometimes the sub-personalities' god-like powers can get information from anywhere + use PK to generate apparitions + implant memories, in these particular cases it "slips" and accidentally gives children memories that are almost certainly incredibly embarrassing to share with one's own children.

I realize that an LAP advocate can make up a story to fit these facts, perhaps saying the child has read the parents' minds but Rawlette has other Pre-Birth cases in the essay that don't involve any memory of actual sexual acts. So why scan your parents' brains for [the act in which you were conceived]? If we assume the cases are legitimate, the best explanation IMO is that the children recall the date of their own conception because they existed prior to their births. And inline with Intermission Memories that are Pre-birth Memories, it follows that these children - along with the rest of us - will exist after our deaths.

The one caveat I'd give is that some pre-birth memories have the child enter the womb a time after conception, for example:

Quote:In contrast to these conception cases, other children don’t seem to find their parents until the pregnancy is some ways along. An Indian Christian named Prashant still had a memory at age 40 of coming down from the clouds toward Earth, “zooming in” until she noticed a kind of market or bazaar where there was a joyful couple singing together while they clasped hands. “The man was wearing a light blue sweater and blue jeans,” she says. “[T]he woman was dressed in a traditional Indian orange sari.” She got even closer to the woman and remembered entering her uterus and what it felt like to be inside the womb. When she was a child, Prashant thought of this memory as a dream, but at age 17, she told her parents about it, and they confirmed that, when Prashant’s mother was four months pregnant with her, they had worn those precise clothes to the engagement ceremony of a friend. It was the only day they’d ever held hands and sung in public, and they were at the New Delhi South Extension market.

And a case where a child recalls they were miscarried by their mother in a prior attempt to have a child:

Quote:Interestingly, Elizabeth actually remembered initiating the miscarriage. When she was seven, she was riding in the car with her mom in a neighborhood she’d never been to before when she pointed at a non-descript building and said she’d been in that building before. Her mom confirmed that this was the building where she’d gone to the doctor during the pregnancy she’d lost. “That was me,” said Elizabeth. “I was a boy, and you and dad had a fight. I chose to leave and come back as a girl.” It was true that her mother had sensed her baby was going to be a boy, and she’d fought with her husband about whether to circumcise him. Neither of them was willing to budge on the issue. Once she was an adult, Elizabeth was able to explain that she’d known her parents were in danger of divorcing over the circumcision question. “I needed them to stay together to fulfill what I came here to do,” she says. “So I chose to leave.” Though her mother had never previously connected the two events, she did confirm that the miscarriage had happened the morning after the circumcision argument.

Old Souls mentions cases where souls seek to enter the baby at the exact time of birth. Not to get political, just mentioning these because these are the facts in the sense that testimonies do exist....

edit: Rawlette's essay has a case of the latter actually, as an NDE:

Quote:Here’s an excerpt from an NDE account published in a London newspaper in 1935:

Quote:Then suddenly I was again transported—this time it seemed to be against my wish—to a bed-room, where a woman whom I recognized was in bed, and two other women were quietly bustling around, and a doctor was leaning over the bed. Then the doctor had a baby in his hands.
At once I became aware of an almost irresistible impulse to press my face through the back of the baby’s head so that my face would come into the same place as the child’s.

The doctor said, “It looks as though we have lost them both.”

And again I felt the urge to take the baby’s place in order to show him he was wrong, but the thought of my mother crying turned my thoughts in her direction, when straightway I was in a railway carriage with both her and father.176

Interestingly, the NDEr went on to report that he recognized the woman in labor as a neighbor of his. Upon reviving in his own body, he told his parents that the neighbor’s baby was dead because he couldn’t get into its body. They discovered afterward that the woman in question had
indeed delivered a stillborn baby that day (and had herself died, just as the NDEr observed during his experience).

Perhaps the different times the soul attains biological embodiment - whether forced or by their own choice - would be due to replacement reincarnation?
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