Solutions: Open Science

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Companion thread to the Crisis of Science thread. I felt it would be good to have separate discussions on the problems and solutions because each topic is quite varied.

Sources and transcripts here: https://www.corbettreport.com/openscience/
"The cure for bad information is more information."
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I'm all for open science, and discussion on these issues. But do you have to use the Corbett Report? It's not a reliable source.

Linda
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(2019-03-31, 05:36 PM)fls Wrote: I'm all for open science, and discussion on these issues. But do you have to use the Corbett Report? It's not a reliable source.

Linda

Based on what?
"The cure for bad information is more information."
(2019-03-31, 05:36 PM)fls Wrote: I'm all for open science, and discussion on these issues. But do you have to use the Corbett Report? It's not a reliable source.

Linda


He cites everything he says and he and James Evan Pilato have been proven right time and time again on what they say on their New World Next Week weekly podcast. Often breaking news more than a year before mainstream outlets pick it up. He's, hilariously, been smeared by some other outlets who claim he's unreliable or just a conspiracy theorist especially since the fake news paradigm started after trump got elected.

A paradigm that only started because the alternative media "ate their lunch" as it was put and the old media and by extension the governments and corporations that stand to lose if people stop deifying them got mad at that and started their censorship justification and overall crackdown. You can try to say that's conspiratirial but its so well documented and accepted that I'd say you're just wrong. CNN has become a meme for fake news now as one example. Not to mention everything dug up on Google, Facebook, Twitter, etc as far as increasingly overt censorship goes. And of course their ties to government.

Corbett has a few videos detailing the hilariousness of the misrepresentation of himself and other alt media people, while also recognizing that alt media isn't perfect either. He's incredibly open to critique and if you think you can correct him on something he's said, then email him about it. He has at least a couple videos that I know of where he goes through and recants certain things he's previously said So yeah I do more or less trust what he says.

My main problem with him is he seems to not understand, or want to understand, that life is cheap. It makes him care way too much about falling birthrates and such as if the survival of the species matters or something. Acting like the obvious solution is to have more kids, without truly accepting that part of the reasons people aren't are:

1: it's really expensive and money is increasingly tight.

2: this world is pretty worthless in its current form and quite a number of people have outright stated they aren't having kids because they don't want anyone else to suffer through this bullshit.


On that front I do think his stuff falls a bit flat. But that's pretty minor compared to everything else.
"The cure for bad information is more information."
(2019-04-01, 02:52 PM)Mediochre Wrote: Based on what?

Based on when he talks about stuff on which I have expertise, he gets much of it wrong.

If he says something which is valid, then people who are a reliable source of information will have also identified it as valid. It makes more sense to discuss these issues based on the primary sources.

For example, he mentions John Ioannidis, who would be a reliable source. Why not just discuss his work in the field directly?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...8/fulltext

Or the Nature Survey?
https://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scient...ty-1.19970

Linda
(This post was last modified: 2019-04-01, 06:25 PM by fls.)
(2019-04-01, 06:13 PM)fls Wrote: Based on when he talks about stuff on which I have expertise, he gets much of it wrong.

If he says something which is valid, then people who are a reliable source of information will have also identified it as valid. It makes more sense to discuss these issues based on the primary sources.

For example, he mentions John Ioannidis, who would be a reliable source. Why not just discuss his work in the field directly?
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lance...8/fulltext

Or the Nature Survey?
https://www.nature.com/news/1-500-scient...ty-1.19970

Linda

EDIT:

I don't know and I shouldnt've even responded
"The cure for bad information is more information."
(This post was last modified: 2019-04-02, 12:15 AM by Mediochre.)

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