(2020-01-16, 01:09 PM)Laird Wrote: Fair enough. We don't know how the detectors were configured.
I suspect that this is in a sense simply a reiteration of your first point in that an adequately calibrated photon detector would pick up light from such a pinhole.
I don't consider it a reiteration. The same photon cannot both strike the photodetector and enter the human eye. It has to be one or the other.
Quote:OK, but it would nevertheless be a pretty impressive feat for the professor to pull off just using pinholes, wouldn't it?
(2020-01-16, 01:23 PM)Typoz Wrote: I don't consider it a reiteration. The same photon cannot both strike the photodetector and enter the human eye. It has to be one or the other.
Hmm. OK, perhaps, technically, you are correct. But if the lack of detection of any photons depends upon all of them instead entering the human eye via a pinhole in the mask, then perhaps there aren't many of them to detect in the first place?
(2020-01-16, 01:23 PM)Typoz Wrote: That depends. I don't have enough information.
What about the information that the host couldn't see anything, not even via a pinhole, when he put on the mask? Doesn't that count for something?
I will say, I always get into these sorts of troubles. On a previous occasion there was a video of Sean McNamara demonstrating telekinesis. I considered the video, indeed several of them, to be flawed. In that case it was the framing (narrow field of view) as well as tight editing in terms of cutting off the beginning and end of the activity. In fairness I've since that time seen some better videos.
The problem isn't that I don't believe these things might be possible, or that the video demonstrates just what it appears to show. Rather it is that there are so many flaws and loopholes that it would be necessary to be there myself or have some reliable other person there to do inspections and supervising.
On a personal note, I might add that I've been under pressure since yesterday due to something unrelated to this forum, and may be somewhat more grumpy than usual. Right now my own problem seems to have been resolved, but I'm still simmering.
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(2020-01-16, 03:11 PM)Typoz Wrote: I will say, I always get into these sorts of troubles. On a previous occasion there was a video of Sean McNamara demonstrating telekinesis. I considered the video, indeed several of them, to be flawed. In that case it was the framing (narrow field of view) as well as tight editing in terms of cutting off the beginning and end of the activity. In fairness I've since that time seen some better videos.
The problem isn't that I don't believe these things might be possible, or that the video demonstrates just what it appears to show. Rather it is that there are so many flaws and loopholes that it would be necessary to be there myself or have some reliable other person there to do inspections and supervising.
On a personal note, I might add that I've been under pressure since yesterday due to something unrelated to this forum, and may be somewhat more grumpy than usual. Right now my own problem seems to have been resolved, but I'm still simmering.;)
The photon detector/eye mask video just looked like a typical TV magic trick to me... honestly, this is not the sort of stuff we should be bothering with... that is focusing on persuading TV viewers that somebody can’t see through a eye mask is just a waste of everybody’s time...
My mum used to do blindfold psychic magic tricks at Newcastle quayside with her father when she was a child, they supplemented their income with it... made a good bit of money out of the public who thought they could beat her... one would be hard pressed to tell how the trick worked, but her and her father controlled the props, she had to memorise a *very* complicated prop order, as well as a special code that was related to the props, and her father communicated in that code to her, by hiding the code in his showman speech. Mum had to translate the code in her head, then relate that code to the props...
The point being, that focusing just on mums blindfold is often just the sort of misdirection a magician uses to focus the public away from the way a trick may actually work...
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I find it a bit odd that - judging from the videos - at least three different groups making these claims seem to be using the same Mindfold mask. Presumably that's not just a coincidence, considering how many types of masks are on the market: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sleep-Masks/b?i...2826700031
In the video @Sci shared even earlier in the Neuroscientist Speaks Out On The Hidden War On Consciousness, Alex Gomez, whom Rupert referenced in the above discussion, shares more of his own encounters with this phenomenon, in particular in the remarkable form of seeing objects in the future, from 41:58 - 49:23.
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They have a few videos of the 2025 Psi Games International events.
This woman also puts tape over her eyes, reads across the room, does colors correctly. Blindfold with colors
The amount of work put into blocking her vision should be pretty convincing.
"Your investment for this transformational experience is
$5,000 (full pay) or $6,000 (payments)".
So, if you want to learn how to see with your mind it will cost you just 5000 USD...
Well, let's wait and see how will she perform in a more controlled experiment, if she ever takes one...
I always find this sort of fee to be disgusting and it should be illegal.
The same is true of so many courses in education, or in the Psi world.
When you sit there and look at the number of people in some RV course, and multiply by how much they are charging, it becomes a crime like some snake oil sales system. Fake real estate courses, fake degrees, fake Psi courses... show me the success stories first.
Pay when you succeed, and watch these teachers or instructors go broke. The success stories from the courses should be visible to anyone inquiring about them, but they aren't, and you don't hear much when it would be front page news if people were walking away from any of these courses as a successful practitioner.
I am attempting to steer my mind back to two basic ideas.
One of them is seeing with your eyes closed, from a normal state of awareness, where things would normally be visible and in the range of your normal vision.
The other is visual perception related to RV, OOBE's and anything else considered Psi phenomena that is collecting information, usually from a distance.
Both examples here are considered to be with veridical evidence.
Is it ever 'normal' awareness? Or have we checked for altered states during this type of perceptual phenomena? I have seen the mid-brain activation result.
Are they, RV or OOBE / seeing blindfolded, using the same exteroceptive function? Both achieve a form of reception that appears to be filtered into the visual, while we know that both are obviously not the eyeball itself.
I am still assuming in this scenario that both systems are supplying correct, veridical data.
Just this morning, I mentally looked at the electronic display of the alarm clock. It was 5-something a.m. in my mind's eye. I got up to let the dog out, and on the way back I physically looked at the clock and it was actually 2:45 a.m. I went back to bed.
So far, this area is not my thing.
When I look at things in altered states, they are rarely the same as the physical, or in the current time and current reality. Colors are often wrong, dimensions of space are wrong. As an example, a long hallway with brown panels turns out to be a half-oval breakfast nook with brown blackout panel curtains. Other items are correct, like the embroidery pattern of the tablecloth. I have no idea what is right or wrong, real or imaginary. So I know why I don't personally trust everything I 'see' using that filter system. What is interesting is that I can sit in a room I know or am familiar with, and mentally look around, and the room is not the same as I know it is, or should be. I am rarely capable of forcing the room to be what I know it is, while sitting in it. It will always warp into whatever my mind decides it is.
That still doesn't make me think it is some projection or illusion, I'm not a fan of any kind of mind-creates-reality scenario. I do think the mind can't be trusted to correctly map actual surroundings without constant input/feedback from reality. If you give it a chance, it will erase or insert garbage, because the mind is a weak cesspool of garbage that appears to only function correctly when it gets constant input from an external source. Block the input sources, like in Ganzfeld, and it starts reaching out and doing acrobatics to connect to something for feedback.
Graham Nicholls brought up some interesting phenomena as well, where in some OOBE conditions, the environmental color can become predominant and permeate objects, and trying to visually focus can reduce the visual field down to 12 inches. We also have time-related veridical data in some OOBE conditions, which we also have in some dreams. So, it doesn't appear that an OOBE or dream visual is using the same function as seeing blindfolded.
My cross-connective brain also brought forward the information regarding Nina Kulagina. Where, in the beginning, she was recruited because she claimed she could tell which color her knitting yarn was before pulling it out of her knitting bag. So to her, her hand was sensing the color, which would normally be a visual impression. This was before the PK testing.
Does anyone think there might be a connection to whatever is reaching out and sensing the external object, and reaching out and moving physical objects? Did Nina graduate from sensing color with her hands, to PK with her hands?
Perhaps it is a specialized exteroception system that may turn out to be functional for different sensory tasks?
This might also turn out to supply us with more empirical data?
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