Scientists shed light on how and why some people report "hearing the dead"

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Spiritualist mediums might be more prone to immersive mental activities and unusual auditory experiences early in life, according to new research.

This might explain why some people and not others eventually adopt spiritualist beliefs and engage in the practice of 'hearing the dead', the study led by Durham University found....


https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/...011421.php
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Seems like it belongs in the Skeptic debate section as it comes off as rationalization of mediumship from Materialist Evangelicals.

Because what makes mediums convincing is those who've gotten veridical evidence from communications. As noted in the book Transcendent Mind, published by the American Psychological Association.

What we really need is psychological explanations for why those who believe in Physicalism cling to their faith even when there's so many good reasons to abandon that religion ->

Why I am not a Physicalist: Four Reasons for Rejecting the Faith
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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(2021-01-18, 06:46 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: ...As noted in the book Transcendent Mind, published by the American Psychological Association.

What we really need is psychological explanations for why those who believe in Physicalism cling to their faith even when there's so many good reasons to abandon that religion ->

Why I am not a Physicalist: Four Reasons for Rejecting the Faith

More on the biases of the Physicalist faith that corrupt science from one of Transcendent Mind's authors, Julia Mossbridge ->

BBC Reel: Why our dreams could be the key to time travel.

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'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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Certainly interesting. The article isn't as hostile as what it appeared to be. What I wonder here is, if they have higher levels of absorbtion, when did this come about, since if you were hearing voices eventually you'd need to get use to them. The auditory hallucinations bit is kind of weird too. If there's really no dead people then hallucinations if there is then it's a voice. 

To me this just adds more to the pile of interesting research of what mediums are like. Because we know they're not crazy and that they actually have better mental health a lot of the time than general population. Also have much higher levels of transliminality which relates to openess to new experiences vs hardheadedness as well as hyper sensitivity to subconscious and environmental psychological material. We also know that during sessions they're not just using their imagination from EEG data and are in their own distinct mental state.

Whatever mediums are, proper ones, they're definitely not just the con men people like to think they are. Are their own special kind of person.
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(2021-01-18, 10:02 PM)Smaw Wrote: Certainly interesting. The article isn't as hostile as what it appeared to be. What I wonder here is, if they have higher levels of absorbtion, when did this come about, since if you were hearing voices eventually you'd need to get use to them. The auditory hallucinations bit is kind of weird too. If there's really no dead people then hallucinations if there is then it's a voice. 

To me this just adds more to the pile of interesting research of what mediums are like. Because we know they're not crazy and that they actually have better mental health a lot of the time than general population. Also have much higher levels of transliminality which relates to openess to new experiences vs hardheadedness as well as hyper sensitivity to subconscious and environmental psychological material. We also know that during sessions they're not just using their imagination from EEG data and are in their own distinct mental state.

Whatever mediums are, proper ones, they're definitely not just the con men people like to think they are. Are their own special kind of person.
Is this referring to the Beischel studies?
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(2021-01-31, 11:18 AM)OmniVersalNexus Wrote: Is this referring to the Beischel studies?

Yeah, and some stuff off PSI encyclopedia.
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Oh great, seems Novella decided to weigh in:
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde...-the-dead/

Basically: ESP is nonsense...it violates too many laws of physics...no credible evidence...spiritualists are too prone to fantasy...Novella hypocritically calling a critic arrogant while claiming to speak on behalf of science... materialism is the only model that works...the brain can't be compared to a computer monitor etc. 

Seems Novella acquired a no. 1 fan as well to lash out at any critics. I noticed blogger Ian Wardell basically getting bullied off by this extremely hostile 'BillyJoe' character.
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(2021-02-02, 02:31 AM)OmniVersalNexus Wrote: Oh great, seems Novella decided to weigh in:
https://theness.com/neurologicablog/inde...-the-dead/

Basically: ESP is nonsense...it violates too many laws of physics...no credible evidence...spiritualists are too prone to fantasy...Novella hypocritically calling a critic arrogant while claiming to speak on behalf of science... materialism is the only model that works...the brain can't be compared to a computer monitor etc. 

Seems Novella acquired a no. 1 fan as well to lash out at any critics. I noticed blogger Ian Wardell basically getting bullied off by this extremely hostile 'BillyJoe' character.
This isn't anything interesting, basically Novella going "Yes these results agree with my opinions.". Which yknow, is about as predictable as a rock falling when you drop it. And yknow it's Novella's blog, you're gonna get the parrots going on their usual routine, even though 90% of them probably think the latest PSI experiments that have happened were from Bem in 2011.

Also Ian Wardell fuckin deserves that shit, I don't know what he's thinking every time he decides to comment bloody everywhere apparently. It makes me cringe every time he does it, he is the parapsychology version of the one materialist that just comments "duuurrrrrr brain chemicals" on everything. Like, have some professional demeanor, it's not like you see Bernardo Kastrup leaving messages on every blog he can find about how materialism is bad. And Billy Joe is just our super hard counterpart on the materialist side, obviously he's a prick but you think someone who came on here going on about materialism wouldn't be ripped a new one?
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(2021-02-02, 06:26 AM)Smaw Wrote: This isn't anything interesting, basically Novella going "Yes these results agree with my opinions.". Which yknow, is about as predictable as a rock falling when you drop it. And yknow it's Novella's blog, you're gonna get the parrots going on their usual routine, even though 90% of them probably think the latest PSI experiments that have happened were from Bem in 2011.

Also Ian Wardell fuckin deserves that shit, I don't know what he's thinking every time he decides to comment bloody everywhere apparently. It makes me cringe every time he does it, he is the parapsychology version of the one materialist that just comments "duuurrrrrr brain chemicals" on everything. Like, have some professional demeanor, it's not like you see Bernardo Kastrup leaving messages on every blog he can find about how materialism is bad. And Billy Joe is just our super hard counterpart on the materialist side, obviously he's a prick but you think someone who came on here going on about materialism wouldn't be ripped a new one?

That's a little harsh Smaw, though I agree I have noticed he crops up everywhere these days. Some of the videos he 'endorses' aren't the best either when it comes to arguing against materialism. 

Still, it's not appropriate of Novella to insist there's 'more evidence than correlation' for materialism. Pretty sure there isn't, and he's exaggerating. The behaviour of the dogmatic materialists there is also uncalled for.
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