Reddit thread on what people who died and came back experienced

There weren't any strict terms as far as I know, but the hypothesis that something leaves the body and observes from above couldn't be tested experimentally.

I think the Christopher Yerington report for instance (if it is honest and accurate) indicates that Parnia will eventually be successful. It's not the only one even from the thread on Quora.

Before I became a nurse I worked as an EKG technician. This was the early 1970’s and EKG machines and telemetry weren’t as sophisticated as now, so I needed to respond to code situations to record heart rhythm and responses to medications. One day a young man coded. He was in asystole for a long period of time, and I don’t know how long before I got there. When the MD’s were going to call the code and announce time of death, the patient’s heart spontaneously started beating again so everyone went back to getting him into a sustainable non-life threatening rhythm, but the whole time I was there, he was not conscious. The next day in CCU, he was sitting up in bed and when I walked in to get an EKG, I introduced myself and he smiled. He said, “I know who you are. I saw you yesterday.”!

I said something like ‘ I don’t think so because when I saw you, you weren’t aware of anything at the time. He said, “I know. The doctor told me I was dead!” But I saw all of you and what you were doing!” He continued to tell me he went through a tunnel with a white light at the end. He said his relatives were there, but when he got to the light God told him he had to come back to finish his work! He said he hung close to the ceiling until somehow he was pulled back into his body-which he said wasn’t very pleasant. He said he told the doctor but the doctor went, “Huh!!” and walked out of the room. He was not the only one I heard this from.

I started asking patients who coded if they remembered anything, and I got story after story with slight variations. Many didn’t want to talk at first because they had already told someone who thought they were nuts. I just told them if they wanted to tell me I wouldn’t judge them or think they were nuts. After they would tell me, I would tell them they weren’t alone, that I had heard others say essentially the same thing. It was the conviction with which these patients told their stories, and many times I was there when it happened and knew they spoke the truth. This has changed my life and guided me to become more spiritual and accepting that we are spirits (souls) having human experiences that don’t end with death.

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Of course you remember that study I post where terminal patients had their brains scanned at the time of death and post mortem to discover their brains where still active. How could you possibly know he was not aware?

Of course you remember that study I post where terminal patients had their brains scanned at the time of death and post mortem to discover their brains where still active. How could you possibly know he was not aware?

Jeez...which study ? This one ? 

The article, [i]Electroencephalographic Recordings During Withdrawal of Life-Sustaining Therapy Until 30 Minutes After Declaration of Death,[/i] from The Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences


Sonny Dhanani retracted it as an artefact. People's brains don't work when they are dead. No blood flow, no oxygen and glucose = no fuel. Try running your car with no petrol in it. You really are desperate, aren't you, Steve. Very sad. 

In one patient, low-frequency, sporadic EEG activity occurred after the heart stopped beating. In the article, the authors state that because this activity occurred long after the loss of circulation, this activity is likely an artefact – that is, it cannot be interpreted or trusted as accurate. EEG monitoring in patients can be subject to false readings due to environmental conditions within the intensive care unit that are not related to the patient’s brain activity. The authors conclude that the recording is a false reading and cannot be assumed to indicate that the brain is still functioning. 

This study did not and cannot draw conclusions about re-defining death or end-of-life. The authors are enthusiastic about the interest in media that this article has generated and look forward to sharing the results of their new study in the near future.

Jeez...which study ? This one ? 

The article, [i]Electroencephalographic Recordings During Withdrawal of Life-Sustaining Therapy Until 30 Minutes After Declaration of Death,[/i] from The Canadian Journal of Neurological Sciences


Sonny Dhanani retracted it as an artefact. People's brains don't work when they are dead. No blood flow, no oxygen and glucose = no fuel. Try running your car with no petrol in it. You really are desperate, aren't you, Steve. Very sad. 

In one patient, low-frequency, sporadic EEG activity occurred after the heart stopped beating. In the article, the authors state that because this activity occurred long after the loss of circulation, this activity is likely an artefact – that is, it cannot be interpreted or trusted as accurate. EEG monitoring in patients can be subject to false readings due to environmental conditions within the intensive care unit that are not related to the patient’s brain activity. The authors conclude that the recording is a false reading and cannot be assumed to indicate that the brain is still functioning. 

This study did not and cannot draw conclusions about re-defining death or end-of-life. The authors are enthusiastic about the interest in media that this article has generated and look forward to sharing the results of their new study in the near future.

This thread titled: What our brain does after death". It's a different study done in Berlin. Tim I'm certain you and all those people whom have convinced themselves are coming to a premature conclusion. I've a question which you've inadvertently raised. You state or quote this study [in your above post] did not and cannot draw conclusions, but you and many others state NDE's are certifiably proof of life after death. Why is that?

There weren't any strict terms as far as I know, but the hypothesis that something leaves the body and observes from above couldn't be tested experimentally.

I think the Christopher Yerington report for instance (if it is honest and accurate) indicates that Parnia will eventually be successful. It's not the only one even from the thread on Quora.

Before I became a nurse I worked as an EKG technician. This was the early 1970’s and EKG machines and telemetry weren’t as sophisticated as now, so I needed to respond to code situations to record heart rhythm and responses to medications. One day a young man coded. He was in asystole for a long period of time, and I don’t know how long before I got there. When the MD’s were going to call the code and announce time of death, the patient’s heart spontaneously started beating again so everyone went back to getting him into a sustainable non-life threatening rhythm, but the whole time I was there, he was not conscious. The next day in CCU, he was sitting up in bed and when I walked in to get an EKG, I introduced myself and he smiled. He said, “I know who you are. I saw you yesterday.”!

I said something like ‘ I don’t think so because when I saw you, you weren’t aware of anything at the time. He said, “I know. The doctor told me I was dead!” But I saw all of you and what you were doing!” He continued to tell me he went through a tunnel with a white light at the end. He said his relatives were there, but when he got to the light God told him he had to come back to finish his work! He said he hung close to the ceiling until somehow he was pulled back into his body-which he said wasn’t very pleasant. He said he told the doctor but the doctor went, “Huh!!” and walked out of the room. He was not the only one I heard this from.

I started asking patients who coded if they remembered anything, and I got story after story with slight variations. Many didn’t want to talk at first because they had already told someone who thought they were nuts. I just told them if they wanted to tell me I wouldn’t judge them or think they were nuts. After they would tell me, I would tell them they weren’t alone, that I had heard others say essentially the same thing. It was the conviction with which these patients told their stories, and many times I was there when it happened and knew they spoke the truth. This has changed my life and guided me to become more spiritual and accepting that we are spirits (souls) having human experiences that don’t end with death.

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Thanks Tim. I’m a bit surprised to hear there may be no success criteria to be satisfied so that the study would be accepted as valid. Perhaps we’re talking at cross-purposes. At least if there weren’t it couldn’t be said to have failed lol.

This thread titled: What our brain does after death". It's a different study done in Berlin. Tim I'm certain you and all those people whom have convinced themselves are coming to a premature conclusion. I've a question which you've inadvertently raised. You state or quote this study [in your above post] did not and cannot draw conclusions, but you and many others state NDE's are certifiably proof of life after death. Why is that?

Steve,

The (human) brain cannot function without a blood supply. It's not debateable; (your) science accepts that. Especially the mainstream consensus which you rightly or wrongly adhere to. Just look in the elementary biology text books to see for yourself.

I've never said that NDE's are "proof" of life after death. Rather, they are a strong indication that consciousness as a separate entity can function when the brain is not working. If that is the case, and I personally think it is, then it's not such a great leap to postulate that it continues to function.

Steve said >

You state or quote this study [in your above post] did not and cannot draw conclusions, but you and many others state NDE's are certifiably proof of life after death. Why is that?

Steve, sadly you're getting mixed up (again)

Those are the words of Sonny Dhanani, the guy that you effectively quoted by referring to his study.  

Thanks Tim. I’m a bit surprised to hear there may be no success criteria to be satisfied so that the study would be accepted as valid. Perhaps we’re talking at cross-purposes. At least if there weren’t it couldn’t be said to have failed lol.

I don't think they need to have a success criteria for the study to be accepted, Obiwan, only that it is approved by the ethics committee and carried out in accordance with the correct methods/protocols.

Steve,

The (human) brain cannot function without a blood supply. It's not debateable; (your) science accepts that. Especially the mainstream consensus which you rightly or wrongly adhere to. Just look in the elementary biology text books to see for yourself.

I've never said that NDE's are "proof" of life after death. Rather, they are a strong indication that consciousness as a separate entity can function when the brain is not working. If that is the case, and I personally think it is, then it's not such a great leap to postulate that it continues to function.

Steve said >

You state or quote this study [in your above post] did not and cannot draw conclusions, but you and many others state NDE's are certifiably proof of life after death. Why is that?

Steve, sadly you're getting mixed up (again)

Those are the words of Sonny Dhanani, the guy that you effectively quoted by referring to his study.  

I remember me asking you, how long does consciousness last after death and you said forever. That is the very definition of life after death. I've listened to you, the stuff others post, the hopes placed upon the Aware study so don't tell me you all aren't looking for it. Yes Tim, the study i posted indicates the brain can function sans a blood supply for a short time.  C'mon Tim admit you're the one jumping to the conclusion. Why?

I remember me asking you, how long does consciousness last after death and you said forever. That is the very definition of life after death. I've listened to you, the stuff others post, the hopes placed upon the Aware study so don't tell me you all aren't looking for it. Yes Tim, the study i posted indicates the brain can function sans a blood supply for a short time.  C'mon Tim admit you're the one jumping to the conclusion. Why?

Can you reproduce that quote which you've credited to me ? I  personally believe/accept that but I've never said that as far as I know and more to the point I'm not a researcher so my opinion is just my opinion. Go to the researchers for expertise. 

Steve001 said >Yes Tim, the study i posted indicates the brain can function sans a blood supply for a short time.  C'mon Tim admit you're the one jumping to the conclusion. Why?

But I've just given you Sonny Dhanani's retraction. Did you actually read it ? Which one of us is crackers ? Is it me ? I'm beginning to wonder, Steve, seriously, communicating with you is quite bizarre most of the time.

Can you reproduce that quote which you've credited to me ? I  personally believe/accept that but I've never said that as far as I know and more to the point I'm not a researcher so my opinion is just my opinion. Go to the researchers for expertise. 

Steve001 said >Yes Tim, the study i posted indicates the brain can function sans a blood supply for a short time.  C'mon Tim admit you're the one jumping to the conclusion. Why?

But I've just given you Sonny Dhanani's retraction. Did you actually read it ? Which one of us is crackers ? Is it me ? I'm beginning to wonder, Steve, seriously, communicating with you is quite bizarre most of the time.

Maybe you can find your post, after all you said it
Tim you referenced a study which I was not referring to. The one I posted about and mentioned today is I believe recent and as far as I know not relevant to the study you thought I was referring to. Though you don't like the findings of the study you should at least acknowledge you just might be wrong. Perhaps you should refresh your memory by reading the study. What say you ol' chap?

Can you reproduce that quote which you've credited to me ? I  personally believe/accept that but I've never said that as far as I know and more to the point I'm not a researcher so my opinion is just my opinion. Go to the researchers for expertise. 

Steve001 said >Yes Tim, the study i posted indicates the brain can function sans a blood supply for a short time.  C'mon Tim admit you're the one jumping to the conclusion. Why?

But I've just given you Sonny Dhanani's retraction. Did you actually read it ? Which one of us is crackers ? Is it me ? I'm beginning to wonder, Steve, seriously, communicating with you is quite bizarre most of the time.

Maybe you can find your post after, all you said it
Tim you referenced a study which I was not referring to. The one I posted about and mentioned today is I believe recent and as far as I know not relevant to the study you thought I was referring to. Though you don't like the findings of the study you should at least acknowledge you just might be wrong. Perhaps you should refresh your memory by reading the study. What say you ol' chap?