A new issue of the Parapsychological Association's bulletin, Mindfield, has appeared. Here is the blurb from the PA:
This issue of Mindfield 11.1 makes accessible the essential aspects of several contemporary models of psi. In line with Mindfield 10.3 titled Physical Theories of Psi, we now present models derived from human sciences. Using the same approach as the previous issue, we asked several theoreticians of parapsychology to briefly respond to a common structured interview explaining the foundations and applications of their models. With this approach, we aim to provide Mindfield readers with a glimpse of these complex ideas in a manner that facilitates comparison.
This issue focuses mainly on psychological theories of psi presented by Lance Storm & Michael Thalbourne, Jon Taylor, Lance Storm & Adam Rock, Rupert Sheldrake, and James C. Carpenter. Also included is Part 2 of Carlos A. Alvarado's Articles about the History of Parapsychology and Related Matters and the 27th installment of Articles Relevant to Parapsychology in Journals of Various Fields.
Imagination and Reactance in a Psi Task Using the Imagery Cultivation Model and a Fuzzy Set Encoded Target Pool
LANCE STORM
Homeopathy and the Action of Meaning: A Theoretical Approach
WALTER V. LUCADOU
A Camera-Based Tracking System for Ouija Research
ECKARD KRUSE
Also book reviews and news.
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I appreciated Braude's opening argument for why apparitions can't just be telepathic in nature.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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(2019-06-10, 01:02 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: I appreciated Braude's opening argument for why apparitions can't just be telepathic in nature.
Surely your joking...? Braude’s ideas in that article are frankly... a terrible muddle. He’s totally out of date. A much better analysis and argument about Apparitions is made in Celia Greens book of the same name “Apparitions”.
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(2019-06-10, 12:21 PM)Max_B Wrote: Surely your joking...? Braude’s ideas in that article are frankly... a terrible muddle. He’s totally out of date. A much better analysis and argument about Apparitions is made in Celia Greens book of the same name “Apparitions”.
I thought his basic argument was sound? That telepathy alone cannot account for shared apparitions, and especially seems unlikely for OBE apparitions?
Curious what your issues are, and what is better in Celia Green's book?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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(2019-06-10, 02:09 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: I thought his basic argument was sound? That telepathy alone cannot account for shared apparitions, and especially seems unlikely for OBE apparitions?
Curious what your issues are, and what is better in Celia Green's book?
Why shouldn't telepathy-type ideas account for shared apparitions? When we see groups of apparitions (Roman Soldiers, horses etc passing by), or a cart going by with no people, or a full form apparition of a person moves across a room and disappears - but the bottom of the legs & feet can still be seen, as if the top is obscured by opening a cupboard door. It's far more likely we are experiencing what somebody else experienced. Telepathic-type ideas are a much better explanation for time-slip type experiences too.
Once one opens the door to a telepathic-type idea as a way of trying to understand apparitional phenomena (of some type of locking-on to information that appears dislocated to us in spacetime), that immediately opens the door to a telepathic-type local phenomena occurring between the shared experients of an apparition.
A rough sketch below, shows a triangular relationship in spacetime, which is relative to each participant.
Braude’s ideas are stuck in the past, it's like he has not heard of quantum mechanics, and phenomena like quantum entanglement. He appears to be a realist, and also appears stuck in the classical world, with naive ideas about perception. Honestly, I find it really hard to read such utter crap as I've quoted from him below...
Quote:The alternative approach I’ve argued for, particularly for collective cases, is that apparitions in these cases are products of living-agent, or possibly postmortem, PK, continuous with (if not similar to) other reported examples of ostensible materialization. Clearly, an objectivist approach handles the troublesome issues of simultaneous and concordant experiences with no strain whatever. If the various percipients are responding sensorially to an object located in the region of space apparently occupied by the apparition, then it’s easy to understand why their experiences would occur at the same time and correspond in content. After all, ordinary sensory responses to objects in one’s environment seldom (if ever) display the dramatic forms of deferment noted in telepathic cases. Moreover, if the objects observed are less like solid bodies and more like colored wisps of gas, rainbows, mirages, or electromagnetic fields, it’s no mystery why only some potential percipients report experiencing the apparition. The major mystery, of course, would concern the precise nature of the apparitional objects and their means of production. But since PK is no better understood than telepathy, that nagging mystery poses no problem unique to objectivist accounts.
Quote:And it’s not just collective cases that may be particularly amenable to an objectivist interpretation. Reiterative cases are also easily explained in terms of the persisting presence at a location of some kind of entity. Of course, it’s no easy matter to say what that entity is, and accounts may have to vary between apparent postmortem cases (i.e. ghosts) and ante-mortem cases. But if it seems unparsimonious to posit an enormously complex and arguably miraculously successful web of telepathic interactions and responses to explain why different percipients on different occasions—often independently—have similar apparitional experiences at a given location, then we may have no choice but to swallow the bitter pill and posit the existence of an appropriate entity at that location.
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(2019-06-11, 05:06 PM)Max_B Wrote: Braude’s ideas are stuck in the past, it's like he has not heard of quantum mechanics, and phenomena like quantum entanglement. He appears to be a realist, and also appears stuck in the classical world, with naive ideas about perception. Honestly, I find it really hard to read such utter crap as I've quoted from him below...
Sorry, I don't understand why it's crap...though I do like your idea of dislocated information to explain time-slips.
Also, what do you mean by "realist" here?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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(2019-06-11, 10:12 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Sorry, I don't understand why it's crap...though I do like your idea of dislocated information to explain time-slips.
Also, what do you mean by "realist" here?
Crap is my own personal opinion, because his ideas simply don't get anywhere near to fitting our observations. You could tell me what specific parts you particularly like, and then I can try and respond to those... because I can't deconstruct the whole article, the whole thing is rubbish (crap)...
By realist, I mean he seems to believe in some form of Realism...
The two quotes of his I copied tell us much... he thinks repetitive type apparitions/haunting's are easily explained in terms of the persisting presence at a location of some kind of entity. One has to think seriously about what the definition of a 'location' might be, and why *the* entity (which weirdly can apparently consist of cart, horses and soldiers etc ? ) keeps repeating itself. He suggests collective apparitions are best explained by an objective-type object at the same point in space. Why on some occasions, some people can see these apparitions, and others standing right next to them can't, he suggests is because these objects might be more like colored wisps of gas, rainbows, mirages, or electromagnetic fields. How weak is that last bit...!
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(2019-06-12, 12:43 AM)Max_B Wrote: Crap is my own personal opinion, because his ideas simply don't get anywhere near to fitting our observations. You could tell me what specific parts you particularly like, and then I can try and respond to those... because I can't deconstruct the whole article, the whole thing is rubbish (crap)...
By realist, I mean he seems to believe in some form of Realism...
The two quotes of his I copied tell us much... he thinks repetitive type apparitions/haunting's are easily explained in terms of the persisting presence at a location of some kind of entity. One has to think seriously about what the definition of a 'location' might be, and why *the* entity (which weirdly can apparently consist of cart, horses and soldiers etc ? ) keeps repeating itself. He suggests collective apparitions are best explained by an objective-type object at the same point in space. Why on some occasions, some people can see these apparitions, and others standing right next to them can't, he suggests is because these objects might be more like colored wisps of gas, rainbows, mirages, or electromagnetic fields. How weak is that last bit...!
I ordered his book Limits of Influence, as I find this interesting enough to look deeper into it.
Also, it's funny but despite reading about various metaphysical "isms" I'm not too familiar with Realism.
I guess what I am unsure of is I thought you also believed telepathy to be a field effect? I assumed Braude's argument was about mental communication without any physical type medium, so was surprised to see you so vehemently disagreeing with him. Admittedly I may just not understand your or his arguments...
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
(2019-06-12, 01:27 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: I ordered his book Limits of Influence, as I find this interesting enough to look deeper into it.
Also, it's funny but despite reading about various metaphysical "isms" I'm not too familiar with Realism.
I guess what I am unsure of is I thought you also believed telepathy to be a field effect? I assumed Braude's argument was about mental communication without any physical type medium, so was surprised to see you so vehemently disagreeing with him. Admittedly I may just not understand your or his arguments...
honestly, get Celia Green's book... Apparitions... it's really worthwhile... it's the last proper study of apparitions in the UK, where they put ads in newspapers asking for phenomena IIRC, although she also incorporates data from past SPR cases.
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