Physical Mediumship Experience

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(2017-09-10, 11:35 AM)Brian Wrote: Wow, we have a Superhuman here on Psiencequest!
Boy that was super helpful! Look forward to reading more of your stuff. 

You obviously have a solid grasp of the material.
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Thank you for the write-up of your experience, jkmac. I enjoyed reading it. You put yourself out there to experience it yourself, and even if you found the experience wanting or disappointing, at least you did it.

Thanks!
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Well done jkmac. Appreciate the write up. Fascinating while "elusive" (for you I would wager much more so than us).
(2017-09-11, 12:46 PM)Silence Wrote: Well done jkmac.  Appreciate the write up.  Fascinating while "elusive" (for you I would wager much more so than us).
Yes, you might say so.  Smile
Thanks for detailed report. It's fascinating stuff.
This is one of the most ambiguous and hazy phenomenon in the psi family... where you get so close to potentially definite evidence and yet there's plenty of room for trickery or misinterpretation.

I've got some questions for you:


Quote:1- almost total dark conditions, with some periods of low light.
Reason- light is an inhibitor to most psi phenomenon, and in some cases light presents a real danger to the medium.
Unfortunately- it provides the medium the ability to do whatever they want under the cover of darkness.

Would you say most of the interesting phenomena happened during periods of total darkness or during low light?
Could you better describe the "low light" setting? Would it allow to  distinuish objects in the room or was it still not enough to be clear?
Was it possible to see the medium's cabinet during periods of low light?
Roughly speaking how much of the two hours was spent in low light?


What do you think is the reason for periods of low light if, in general, darkness is the best setting for this phenomena?

Quote:4- the medium is bound in some way to keep them from moving, or physically using their hands to touch or manipulate anything.
Reason- to assure sitters that the medium is not physically causing any of the phenomenon to happen.
Unfortunately- since the medium can not been seen, it is not known if they are actually bound while any odd occurrences actually happen.

Wouldn't it be possible to use some kind of breakable seal to acertain that the medium didn't tamper with whatever is restraining him/her?

Quote:5- the medium is gagged in some way to keep them from speaking.
Reason- to demonstrate that the voices that are heard during the séance are not coming from the medium.
Unfortunately- since the medium cannot be seen it is unknown whether they are actually speaking.

You said that different voices where heard during the session and that they all seemed to originate from the area where the medium was.
Did they have any strange characteristic in their quality, tone or timbre?
Was there variety among these voices or did they sound a bit all the same?
What about volume? Did they speak all at the same intensity?

Was it possible to interact with them at all? I.e. ask questions?
Did the voices report any message intended for any of the participants?

Finally was there any information or message provided that could suggest the presence of an independent consciousness, during the seance?

Thanks
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(2017-09-11, 03:40 PM)Bucky Wrote: Thanks for detailed report. It's fascinating stuff.
This is one of the most ambiguous and hazy phenomenon in the psi family... where you get so close to potentially definite evidence and yet there's plenty of room for trickery or misinterpretation.

I've got some questions for you:



Would you say most of the interesting phenomena happened during periods of total darkness or during low light? 

A- Most of the time, total darkness.


Could you better describe the "low light" setting? Would it allow to  distinuish objects in the room or was it still not enough to be clear?
Was it possible to see the medium's cabinet during periods of low light?

A- Low light was literally created by bur
ning a small candle at the other side of the room, and then shilding it with your hand. Pretty dim. Could see cabinet and barley see the medium. Also another way they caused low light is by using an object coated with glow paint as a light source. Again, pretty damn dim. Could just make out other people sitting and some of the objects on the floor.

Roughly speaking how much of the two hours was spent in low light?

A- Spent only a couple minutes in this level of light, the rest was total darkness. Couldn't see hand in front of my own face.


What do you think is the reason for periods of low light if, in general, darkness is the best setting for this phenomena?

A- That's a tough question. The medium and other PM experts would say that the light is physically dangerous to the medium. It can injure or even kill them. Also it causes the ectoplasm to retract into the medium at a high rate of speed: again, dangerous. 



Wouldn't it be possible to use some kind of breakable seal to acertain that the medium didn't tamper with whatever is restraining him/her?

A-Yes, but if they can escape from a heavy duty zip tie, they could certainly do the same "trick" with a seal of some sort. Remember, they wouldn't decide to use a seal on the spur of the moment. Whatever seal you wanted to use would have been known to the medium and planned for. Don't get me wrong: I' not accusing this medium of fraud. I'm just say that fraud is certainly possible in total darkness.

BTW- I know that he escaped from the zip ties at some point because in low light he showed us ectoplasm and was spreading it around and stretching it with his hands. I'm sure the explanation would be that spirit made this possible. 

You said that different voices where heard during the session and that they all seemed to originate from the area where the medium was.
Did they have any strange characteristic in their quality, tone or timbre?

A-Very distinctive differences in all of the above. One was absolutely booming, others were the tiny voices of a child. There was an american indian, a child, a famous British world figure, and what sounded almost like a demon.


Was there variety among these voices or did they sound a bit all the same?

A- They sounded quite different. But I believe a skilled person could have created all of these voices. Just my non-expert opinion. For me, when in doubt, assume it can be done.


What about volume? Did they speak all at the same intensity?

A- Huge differences in intensity. Some barley audible, others frighteningly loud.


Was it possible to interact with them at all? I.e. ask questions?

A- Yes there was lots of interacting going on. Real conversation if you will. Yes, there were questions and answers. Even joking around. Some sitters were called by name and had interactions. I was one of those. The entity said that I would be accompanied by the young boy spirit on the way home. (on the way home, I tried but didn't sense him)


Did the voices report any message intended for any of the participants?

A- Yes, one woman was told she would become a medium herself. And I was told that I would be accompanied by the boy spirit and that I would start or participate in a mediumship circle in my home town area of Boston. FYI- I had spoken to the medium before the seance and I'm sure I mentioned my home town to him, I know I mentioned my name. So no evidence there...  Sad


Finally was there any information or message provided that could suggest the presence of an independent consciousness, during the seance?

A- There was no information that was shared that demonstrated unexplained knowledge if that's what you mean. There were 5 -6 different personalities represented, but any stage actor could manage that. 


Thanks
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Thanks,
I am curious about this point:

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Quote:Wouldn't it be possible to use some kind of breakable seal to acertain that the medium didn't tamper with whatever is restraining him/her?

A-Yes, but if they can escape from a heavy duty zip tie, they could certainly do the same "trick" with a seal of some sort. Remember, they wouldn't decide to use a seal on the spur of the moment. Whatever seal you wanted to use would have been known to the medium and planned for. Don't get me wrong: I' not accusing this medium of fraud. I'm just say that fraud is certainly possible in total darkness.

I find it interesting that the medium wouldn't agree to use a seal on the spur of the moment. How would it be different, considering that he's supposed to be bound anyways?

Alternatively the seal could be agreed upon prior to the session, but the "data" that would mark the seal would be at the researcher's discretion.
In other words each seal could be labeled with a non decipherable code, such as bar code or similar, so that it would be very hard to reproduce on the spot and could only be read with an appropriate decoder.

What leaves particularly perplexed about your report is the fact that the medium apparently got rid of his restraints at some point.  If that's the case then there's really little to no room for any control given the darkness, hiding in the cabinet and having free hands etc..

The cabinet in particular is a big turn off for me. They claim is a "sacred space" but most of those I've seen in pictures are just really clunky hand made boxes made of cheap wood and fabric. They certainly don't inspire any sacredness whatsoever Big Grin

Given the rather generic information that has been provided and the very loose controls in place it seems to have been quite an underwhelming seance. Did you talk to any of the other participants? What did they think?

Cheers
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(2017-09-11, 07:02 PM)Bucky Wrote: Thanks,
I am curious about this point:


I find it interesting that the medium wouldn't agree to use a seal on the spur of the moment. How would it be different, considering that he's supposed to be bound anyways?

Alternatively the seal could be agreed upon prior to the session, but the "data" that would mark the seal would be at the researcher's discretion.
In other words each seal could be labeled with a non decipherable code, such as bar code or similar, so that it would be very hard to reproduce on the spot and could only be read with an appropriate decoder.

What leaves particularly perplexed about your report is the fact that the medium apparently got rid of his restraints at some point.  If that's the case then there's really little to no room for any control given the darkness, hiding in the cabinet and having free hands etc..

The cabinet in particular is a big turn off for me. They claim is a "sacred space" but most of those I've seen in pictures are just really clunky hand made boxes made of cheap wood and fabric. They certainly don't inspire any sacredness whatsoever Big Grin

Given the rather generic information that has been provided and the very loose controls in place it seems to have been quite an underwhelming seance. Did you talk to any of the other participants? What did they think?

Cheers
It may seem underwhelming, but it is a typical setup for a seance. It's not like this particular one was lax in some way.

The comments about a seal are perfectly reasonable, but you need to keep in mind that most these guys aren't really that concerned about scientific validation. It's sort of a take it or leave it attitude.

The thing that would make me feel best is to have an innocuous go-pro style camera with night vision IN THE CABINET. It would be ultra low light so not dangerous, and would allow the medium "sacred space" but would also show any activity going on. 

Now if some of the things I was looking for to happen, did happen, I would be fine with not knowing if the medium escaped his binding. But they didn't happen. 

One thing I'm planning on doing is to reach out to the medium and see if he cared at all about my concerns. My guess is that he will politely not care.
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