Penny Satori Patient 10

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So I was reading an old thread on here that was discussing Patient 10 in one of Penny Satori's old studies and apparently while he was unable to see the target, there was another quote during his second interview where he said the top of the monitor, where there was a bright orange coloured piece of paper, he said he recognized the top of it looked pinkish. 

I haven't seen anyone else really talk about this anywhere and considering it's potentially (I say potentially because pink isn't orange, but then it's not like he said green or something, or even red) a veridical hit, do you guys know anything else about it?
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The case is as good as you can get, without the patient reporting the target. The bit you're interested in is here :  

 Penny: On the monitor next to your bed was something hidden on top. Could you see what it was? No, I’ll be honest with you, Pen, I didn’t look. I didn’t twist my head back that way; I was just looking at my side. I could see you and the doctor and two to three others around me.

For most reasonable people, the case is remarkably accurate and "harvested" almost immediately, which is usually almost impossible.  For pseudo sceptics though (not you) any small detail where some doubt can be sown, the opportunity will be taken. Why didn't he see the target if he saw everything else ?

Well, firstly, he didn't know there was a target there. As a practical minded (carpenter) severely ill with bowel cancer, I doubt he would have expected to suddenly go floating up into into the air above his hospital bed, to potentially catch sight of a hidden symbol. 

The report is highly accurate with only some tiny discrepancies that you would obviously expect from a human being who doesn't have a camera in his hand and had to use memory alone after being at death's door in a coma. For the sceptics though, not good enough, naturally.    

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(2021-01-22, 03:11 PM)tim Wrote: The case is as good as you can get, without the patient reporting the target. The bit you're interested in is here :  

 Penny: On the monitor next to your bed was something hidden on top. Could you see what it was? No, I’ll be honest with you, Pen, I didn’t look. I didn’t twist my head back that way; I was just looking at my side. I could see you and the doctor and two to three others around me.

For most reasonable people, the case is remarkably accurate and "harvested" almost immediately, which is usually almost impossible.  For pseudo sceptics though (not you) any small detail where some doubt can be sown, the opportunity will be taken. Why didn't he see the target if he saw everything else ?

Well, firstly, he didn't know there was a target there. As a practical minded (carpenter) severely ill with bowel cancer, I doubt he would have expected to suddenly go floating up into into the air above his hospital bed, to potentially catch sight of a hidden symbol. 

The report is highly accurate with only some tiny discrepancies that you would obviously expect from a human being who doesn't have a camera in his hand and had to use memory alone after being at death's door in a coma. For the sceptics though, not good enough, naturally.    

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No, I was actually referring to this one, from his apparent second interview.

P: Did you see any brightly coloured paper on top of the monitor with a picture on it?
10: No.
P: Because it would have stood out.
10: No, the only thing I saw was a monitor, I didn't see any words.
P: What did the monitor look like when you were up there, what shape was it?
10: Come to think of it ... no words ... it was a ... the thing about the monitor, it seemed to be ... it wasn't square, it was longer, oblong. On top ... it was a bit ... the only thing I think was on top of it was more of a pinky colour. Everything seemed to be pinky. [The symbol above his bed area was surrounded by a Day-Glo orange colour.]

From the details I read this came from her book, where she interviewed each patient 3 times. This was the second for the man who floated above the monitor. Though I don't have her book so I don't know if it's legit or not. I think you have it Tim, you said you were buying it in the conversation I read.
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(2021-01-22, 08:48 PM)Smaw Wrote: No, I was actually referring to this one, from his apparent second interview.

P: Did you see any brightly coloured paper on top of the monitor with a picture on it?
10: No.
P: Because it would have stood out.
10: No, the only thing I saw was a monitor, I didn't see any words.
P: What did the monitor look like when you were up there, what shape was it?
10: Come to think of it ... no words ... it was a ... the thing about the monitor, it seemed to be ... it wasn't square, it was longer, oblong. On top ... it was a bit ... the only thing I think was on top of it was more of a pinky colour. Everything seemed to be pinky. [The symbol above his bed area was surrounded by a Day-Glo orange colour.]

From the details I read this came from her book, where she interviewed each patient 3 times. This was the second for the man who floated above the monitor. Though I don't have her book so I don't know if it's legit or not. I think you have it Tim, you said you were buying it in the conversation I read.

Thanks, yes I remember that now ! I borrowed the book from the library. I didn't buy it although I may have attempted to, I can't recall. Was it not almost a hundred pounds ? Can you post the post I made then ? I've always intended to own a copy but at that price, it was too much or I may have thought it was then, don't know.

These comments about the top of the monitor don't favour sceptics or proponents. Was he seeing orange day glow and thought it was pink? Can orange be mistaken for pink ? Maybe. He said he didn't look/twist his head that way (at the monitor) in another interview. Was it peripheral vision, then ? Seems unlikely, as vision seems to be different and far more comprehensive during out of body experiences (usually) 

Penny dealt with all this, I'm sure of that but I don't have it to hand. His report though, IMHO, is the report of someone who was somehow floating in the air above his hospital bed. I can't imagine why or how his brain could have or would have constructed such an experience as a confabulation based on sensory input from whatever pathway sceptics can hypothesize. How does that even work ?

Either it's an automatic confabulation that the brain creates to convince you that survival is true (even though it's not). Or it's a deliberate conscious confabulation based on the need to believe in survival.  

With the former, you have to ignore the fact that such a fantasy has no evolutionary advantage whatsoever to the organism. It shouldn't be presenting you with a fluffy afterlife as that is not going to get the organism up and running again. 

Secondly, if it's a wish fulfilling fantasy that we can magically create at will, I wonder why the majority of patients don't create one and I wonder why they don't create their own individual custom made experience with no end of variations to it.
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(2021-01-23, 02:33 PM)tim Wrote: Thanks, yes I remember that now ! I borrowed the book from the library. I didn't buy it although I may have attempted to, I can't recall. Was it not almost a hundred pounds ? Can you post the post I made then ? I've always intended to own a copy but at that price, it was too much or I may have thought it was then, don't know.

These comments about the top of the monitor don't favour sceptics or proponents. Was he seeing orange day glow and thought it was pink? Can orange be mistaken for pink ? Maybe. He said he didn't look/twist his head that way (at the monitor) in another interview. Was it peripheral vision, then ? Seems unlikely, as vision seems to be different and far more comprehensive during out of body experiences (usually) 

Penny dealt with all this, I'm sure of that but I don't have it to hand. His report though, IMHO, is the report of someone who was somehow floating in the air above his hospital bed. I can't imagine why or how his brain could have or would have constructed such an experience as a confabulation based on sensory input from whatever pathway sceptics can hypothesize. How does that even work ?

Either it's an automatic confabulation that the brain creates to convince you that survival is true (even though it's not). Or it's a deliberate conscious confabulation based on the need to believe in survival.  

With the former, you have to ignore the fact that such a fantasy has no evolutionary advantage whatsoever to the organism. It shouldn't be presenting you with a fluffy afterlife as that is not going to get the organism up and running again. 

Secondly, if it's a wish fulfilling fantasy that we can magically create at will, I wonder why the majority of patients don't create one and I wonder why they don't create their own individual custom made experience with no end of variations to it.

"Thanks, Ian. I ordered the book from the library and read it from cover to cover at least twice. It cost around £100, so I didn't buy it and I seriously doubt if Linda bought it because that £100 would have been possibly double in her part of the world." 

I found your quote Tim. And like you said, he said he didn't see the monitor. Actually seeing both quotes back to back, I believe if he saw it out of the corner of his vision from his OBE, that might have been why he described it as pinkish. The fact that he said pink and not like, blue, pretty much slingshots it into the ambiguous territory. Since yknow if he went "Yeah was this fuckin green paper up there/nah there wasnt anything at all up there" it might be a bit damning, but since he was so close its like well. Guess we'll leave it.
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(2021-01-24, 07:21 AM)Smaw Wrote: "Thanks, Ian. I ordered the book from the library and read it from cover to cover at least twice. It cost around £100, so I didn't buy it and I seriously doubt if Linda bought it because that £100 would have been possibly double in her part of the world." 

I found your quote Tim. And like you said, he said he didn't see the monitor. Actually seeing both quotes back to back, I believe if he saw it out of the corner of his vision from his OBE, that might have been why he described it as pinkish. The fact that he said pink and not like, blue, pretty much slingshots it into the ambiguous territory. Since yknow if he went "Yeah was this fuckin green paper up there/nah there wasnt anything at all up there" it might be a bit damning, but since he was so close its like well. Guess we'll leave it.

Okay, no worries.
The correct spelling of Penny’s surname is SARTORI.  Thumbs Up
Oh my God, I hate all this.   Surprise
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(2021-01-26, 11:06 AM)Stan Woolley Wrote: The correct spelling of Penny’s surname is SARTORI.  Thumbs Up

It sure is but I gave up bothering about it. Someone on here also used to write Penny's name as Satori but I can't remember who and it doesn't matter.

There are errors in circulation all over the net. I created an account on Ned Matina's (wrong spelling) NDE group in order to 
contact someone who'd posted a very interesting experience (Tim (from) England) I tried to use a small >t< like I do here but it wouldn't let me. 

Eben Alexander is now a neurologist (according to one poster), Sam Parnia is a cardiologist, apparently. I looked in a couple of days ago to see if there was anything I could find and one guy had posted a link to an article on Parnia. He'd written underneath, this guy (Parnia) would be well advised to study NDE's. They could help him a lot.

Yep, that'd be right.
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