Nobel prize 2024 - magic just got less wriggle room

By very definition subconscious thoughts and processes are not directly experienced (since they occur outside of conscious awareness), they influence what we consciously experience. Regarding problem-solving, solutions often come to mind suddenly after subconscious processing. Subconscious reactions (like fear or attraction) shape also our conscious experiences. It's not qualia.

Indirect experiences are still within experience ~ just originating from a deeper layer of mind.

“Objective” just means a 3rd person view, which itself is an extrapolation based on consensus agreements about what 1st Person views are saying about the shared world.

What the First Person is saying is mediated through physical means — acoustic waves in the air and bioelectrical signals in your brain — before it reaches your conscious mind. Since these signals are processed by your senses and brain, you can never be certain whether you are truly communicating with another conscious mind or merely interacting with a mindless machine.

I saw what you did there... you added a qualification of 'directly' to experienced...  and 'consciously' to experience, although I didn't understand the latter part of your first sentence... possibly missing a 'don't' ?

You then suggested problem solving solutions 'come to mind suddenly' as if that meant they were not in experience, and that for some reason fear and attraction [of?] only shape experience... eh?

IMO anything that affects I/me is experience. The other labels you mentioned are all subsets of experience.

I’m not an english native speaker. Your definition of “Experience” is lost in translation I’m afraid. For me Experience = Consciously aware of something.

What the First Person is saying is mediated through physical means — acoustic waves in the air and bioelectrical signals in your brain — before it reaches your conscious mind. Since these signals are processed by your senses and brain, you can never be certain whether you are truly communicating with another conscious mind or merely interacting with a mindless machine.

Physicalism / Materialism have it much worse ~ there is no mind, because it is denied.

We can intuitively extrapolate from similarities in behaviour that the other must logically therefore also have an inner world like us.

I’m not an english native speaker. Your definition of “Experience” is lost in translation I’m afraid. For me Experience = Consciously aware of something.

What does "consciously aware" mean here?

I know what being "aware of something" means, you either are, or, are not aware of something. But I'm unsure what the significance of adding "consciously" to the front of the phrase "aware of something"?

How does the meaning of the phrase:

"I am aware of [something]",

differ from

"I am consciously aware of [something]" ?

What does "consciously aware" mean here?

I know what being "aware of something" means, you either are, or, are not aware of something. But I'm unsure what the significance of adding "consciously" to the front of the phrase "aware of something"?

How does the meaning of the phrase:

"I am aware of [something]",

differ from

"I am consciously aware of [something]" ?

We are into word salad land now I’m afraid. Are you making fun of my english now?

What the First Person is saying is mediated through physical means — acoustic waves in the air and bioelectrical signals in your brain — before it reaches your conscious mind. Since these signals are processed by your senses and brain, you can never be certain whether you are truly communicating with another conscious mind or merely interacting with a mindless machine.

What is this “brain” besides an icon in consciousness?

Still unsure what “physical” is here, seeing as descriptions are either of qualia felt or mathematical formula…both of which are mental…

I can also never be sure I am dreaming this life up either, yet I think after a point these very speculative ideas like solipsism and there being “physical” stuff beyond yet only known through experience are not very productive.

We are into word salad land now I’m afraid.

We can be unconsciously and subconsciously aware of things, that we can later become consciously aware that we had experienced.

Like, say, a dream ~ I didn't recall having a dream, but then later in waking consciousness I recalled a fragment of the dream because something in physical reality triggered something from it. First, I had the memory, and it was matter of fact ~ but then I very quickly realized that, hang on, that was from a dream I had last night... some things, you just intuitively know from the nature of something.

We can be unconsciously and subconsciously aware of things, that we can later become consciously aware that we had experienced.

Like, say, a dream ~ I didn't recall having a dream, but then later in waking consciousness I recalled a fragment of the dream because something in physical reality triggered something from it. First, I had the memory, and it was matter of fact ~ but then I very quickly realized that, hang on, that was from a dream I had last night... some things, you just intuitively know from the nature of something.

As I said, the deeper meaning of Experience ≠ Awareness is lost in translation when the word experience is used to describe aspects of consciousness. My main point, anyway, was that there’s a lot of thought processing going on subconsciously, which in itself is as much a mystery as qualia. I can often leave work with some problem unsolved, and suddenly during dinner, the solution mysteriously pops into my awareness. I know from others that this phenomenon is common among people working in mathematics and computer science. I’m not the only one 'experiencing' this.

In my vocabulary, consciousness is the umbrella term for awareness + subconscious. I don’t know how you English natives think about these words.

As I said, the deeper meaning of Experience ≠ Awareness is lost in translation when the word experience is used to describe aspects of consciousness.

Because we do not have clear or concise words to describe consciousness or its contents, because the contents and so structures of consciousness are unique from individual to individual.

My main point, anyway, was that there’s a lot of thought processing going on subconsciously, which in itself is as much a mystery as qualia. I can often leave work with some problem unsolved, and suddenly during dinner, the solution mysteriously pops into my awareness. I know from others that this phenomenon is common among people working in mathematics and computer science. I’m not the only one 'experiencing' this.

Because thinking, experiencing and feeling can happen on deeper layers of the mind. It's experience ~ even if you're not directly conscious of it in the moment.

In my vocabulary, consciousness is the umbrella term for awareness + subconscious. I don’t know how you English natives think about these words.

It has nothing to do with "English natives" ~ many philosophers from many cultures have similar and different thoughts about consciousness and what it is.

Do not think that all English natives think the same ~ that is mistaken perception.

For me, consciousness is the totality of an individual's existence. Call it consciousness, mind, awareness, it matters not ~ they're words that point to concepts that are ultimately beyond description.

Thus, consciousness is not just the conscious and subconscious layers of the mind, but the unconscious layers too.