New Thinking Allowed- Whitley Strieber

Whitley Streiber with Jeffrey Mishlove

Sorry, Stan. I gave that "like" a bit too quickly, thought it was something else. I still like you, though !

Whitley Streiber with Jeffrey Mishlove

I have never listened to Whitley Streiber but I have heard people refer to him for decades usually in the pejorative. Most recently Joe Rogan with Dennis Mackenna where Rogan had characterized him as one step from a butterfly net. In listening to him on thinking allowed he appeared reasonable and credible. I also listened to him on a couple of other podcasts with Kripal which were fascinating. I can't tell why even people who are open to this kind of stuff have such a strong negative reaction to him as he comes off as humble and non dogmatic as to what is ultimately generating his extraordinary experiences.

Most recently Joe Rogan with Dennis Mackenna where Rogan had characterized him as one step from a butterfly net. 

Once again as with loads of others, I just don’t know what to think about Streaber. To me he’s another person of the millions that describes experiencing things that I can’t imagine. As millions have these encounters, I just can’t dismiss them.

If Larry's comment was aimed partly at me (fair enough), let me explain. Strieber comes across as a very articulate and pleasant guy. UFO's (ie unidentified flying objects in the sky) by definition certainly exist but whether or not UFO's are commensurate with aliens visiting us in spaceships from other planets/solar systems or galaxies...I don't think the evidence is anywhere near good enough. I don't say it can't happen or it hasn't happened, I just don't feel persuaded by the evidence myself (Roswell etc) 

I don't think millions of people have encountered alien spacecraft have they ? Millions might have seen things in the sky, probably true. I certainly think life must exist elsewhere in fact I'd probably say the universe(s) was likely teaming with it because of the unimaginable (beyond unimaginable) size of it.

Finally I personally don't like attempts to link up near death experiences with alien abduction. I know many people that have had near death experiences and alien abduction wasn't on their menu as an explanation. Just my thoughts, no offence intended to anyone.

If Larry's comment was aimed partly at me (fair enough), let me explain. Strieber comes across as a very articulate and pleasant guy. UFO's (ie unidentified flying objects in the sky) by definition certainly exist but whether or not UFO's are commensurate with aliens visiting us in spaceships from other planets/solar systems or galaxies...I don't think the evidence is anywhere near good enough. I don't say it can't happen or it hasn't happened, I just don't feel persuaded by the evidence myself (Roswell etc) 

I don't think millions of people have encountered alien spacecraft have they ? Millions might have seen things in the sky, probably true. I certainly think life must exist elsewhere in fact I'd probably say the universe(s) was likely teaming with it because of the unimaginable (beyond unimaginable) size of it.

Finally I personally don't like attempts to link up near death experiences with alien abduction. I know many people that have had near death experiences and alien abduction wasn't on their menu as an explanation. Just my thoughts, no offence intended to anyone.

I think Jeffrey Mishlove helps give a perspective to these phenomenon with his extensive experience and knowledge in studying various experiencers cross culturally such as how parrallell the kundalini comparison he made was. Also the PK man.
I thought Bernardo's approach was useful as well.  https://www.newthinkingallowed.org/what-...o-kastrup/.  
 you seem to be a "nut and bolts" guy. I don't think that approach is helpful in dealing with these phenomenon. I don't believe we are ever going to reduce these phenomenon to material realism

Finally I personally don't like attempts to link up near death experiences with alien abduction. I know many people that have had near death experiences and alien abduction wasn't on their menu as an explanation. Just my thoughts, no offence intended to anyone.

Hold the phone  not to turn this into a NDE thread, but who on Earth would think it was plausible to chuck NDEs up to alien abduction? That's a new one on me 

What kind of intelligent life forms would abduct someone who, in the case of cardiac arrest NDEs, is virtually a goner? And that is just the first of several reasons that doesn't make sense. However, I don't think anyone in their right mind here would champion that theory so it's futile anyways

Hold the phone  not to turn this into a NDE thread, but who on Earth would think it was plausible to chuck NDEs up to alien abduction? That's a new one on me 

What kind of intelligent life forms would abduct someone who, in the case of cardiac arrest NDEs, is virtually a goner? And that is just the first of several reasons that doesn't make sense. However, I don't think anyone in their right mind here would champion that theory so it's futile anyways

Well, Ken Ring for one, in the eighties, well after I started investigating NDE's.

https://www.near-death.com/science/artic...amans.html

I think Jeffrey Mishlove helps give a perspective to these phenomenon with his extensive experience and knowledge in studying various experiencers cross culturally such as how parrallell the kundalini comparison he made was. Also the PK man.
I thought Bernardo's approach was useful as well.  https://www.newthinkingallowed.org/what-...o-kastrup/.  
 you seem to be a "nut and bolts" guy. I don't think that approach is helpful in dealing with these phenomenon. I don't believe we are ever going to reduce these phenomenon to material realism

Some would say more of a nut than a bolt, Larry. I'm not looking for an argument in this area. I got involved in this thread by accident, giving a like to the video which I then withdrew so I felt Stan needed an explanation as he was gutted (just kidding of course).
At least I've got it going, though.

Well, Ken Ring for one, in the eighties, well after I started investigating NDE's.

https://www.near-death.com/science/artic...amans.html

Ah, well it would seem he's investigating the angle that aliens might be beings guiding "soul development" or something of the sort. Different from the invaders from space aliens I'm used to people referring to in the case of UFOs. Correct me if I'm wrong here