Linda is at her favourite old pastime (again) spreading misinformation and trying to wind people up. Reynolds reported everything as soon as she woke up, so it doesn't matter what she told Sabom 3 years later.
I note Linda has obviously been over to Gerry Woerlee's website to get some ammunition (Pam's last interview) which she thinks she can use to assist her trolling activities.
Sadly for Linda, it was me that found the last interview and it was originally in French. I did my best with it but that's how it came out. Some of the little details were not quite right but the thing was, it wasn't meant to be the definitive interview, I only thought it was interesting because it was her last (Poignant)that's why I stuck it up on a forum.
That's where Gerry saw it and thought he could make use of the inconsistencies (shenanigans) so he pinched it. Now Linda's trying to use it....what an utter joke. By the way, when the interview was conducted Pam was very ill. (I've underlined part of the interview that didn't match up with her other interviews but the reason is that I don't speak French.
You had this operation and experience a long time ago now. You remember where you were and what you thought before surgery?
Pamela Reynolds: Before the operation, I had a terrible headache that no one could explain and for which there was no effective treatment. They called it the "cluster headache". I had three small children who needed to be attended to and for years I continued to live as if nothing had happened. Then one day my husband and I went to Virginia to promote a record, and I fell very ill. On my return, my mother decided to call the doctor for whom she had worked as an assistant, convinced that I had a problem in my brain.
We went to his office and he sent me directly for analysis. When he had the test results, he told me that I had an aneurysm and I that had to prepare myself for the end, see a lawyer, prepare for my departure and enjoy my children while I can …. he was telling me that I had no chance of survival and it was very hard for him. He was a family friend and I knew him since childhood. The chance that this operation would succeed was very slim but it was my only chance to stay alive.
Were you asleep already entering the operating room?
I don't remember the operating room. I remember anaesthesia then nothing until the time I left my body through the top of the head. I know it sounds crazy but that's what happened. I left my body through the top of my head and I could see my body from above.
How did you feel when you realized that you were outside of your body?
I was quite happy , it was surprising. Then I saw something that made noise. A sound I had heard for the first time just before leaving my body. I heard this thing making noise. Then I saw the doctor, Dr Spetzler, I presume, who held the object, a kind of saw. I saw the box where they were stored the different bits they kept in there, an impressive selection.
Then I heard: "Her arteries and veins are too small," and the voice of Dr. Spetzler answer: "Use the other side." At that time, I was afraid because it was a brain surgery and I saw them operate at the leg. I was afraid that they had made a mistake and were operating in the wrong place. There were too many people so I couldn't see what she was doing on the leg. I just knew they weren't operating in the right place and to tell you the truth, it was terrifying.
When you saw the tool used by Dr. Spetzler was it already in use? What did you see during this experience?
No. the noise was just beginning. But he used it before I left the operating room (into the other dimension). I know this because the noise made by the saw became louder. At first you hear a sound and the sound becomes more pronounced. Well, it was the same thing and then I knew he was going to use this tool. Just after hearing that my veins and my arteries were too small and after thinking they were in the wrong place for the operation, I saw a tiny dot of light and I heard my grandmother called me. So I went towards it and I thought I must be dying.
Then I told myself that I did not deserve to be there because I was not someone that was perfect. She started to laugh. She told me - not talking to me because they have another way to communicate - I was like a child who is sent to school; they were proud of me and that I deserved to be in their presence. I saw many people I knew and also many others that I did not know but I knew that I was related (to them) in some way. I knew I was going to return to our world.
I didn't want to, but I think I had already made the choice before I even got there because I had children and a husband, and that it was not time for me. However, I wanted to join this light, which became greater than ever. I wanted to go in.. but I was not allowed to. They told me that if I went too far, I couldn't return to the "me" that was on the operating table with surgeons and nurses.
Then my uncle took me back (down the tunnel) and asked me to return to my body. He told me it was like jumping into a pool but I didn't want to.... I was afraid it would hurt and I did not want to return. So he told me, "Do you not you want to see your children? Do you not love your husband? And my sister, your mother?"
At that moment, I thought my children would be okay and that my husband would take care of them and my mother had always been able to cope, so I had no intention of returning. Then he pushed me and it felt like as if I had been pushed into a pool of ice water. It was cold, uncomfortable, and my chest ached. Then I heard the defibrillator on two occasions. The first time, I did hear that, but the second time I saw them. What surprised me the most that day, is that they had music in the operating room. I did not know that was done. I heard a song by "The Eagles", "Hotel California", and words that say: "You can check out any time you like but you can never leave." I thought it was terrible ... So insensitive. I also told my doctor when I woke up (later) He said that I needed more sleep ... It was impossible for me to have been awake at that time (when I heard the song)
Can we go back to your grandmother? Is it that who you saw first? How did it happen?
I heard her voice. I was born with a unique inner ear and I hear voices, sounds and tones pefectly. It was also my job. And I remember very well the voice of my grandmother. On hearing it, I remembered the time she used to call us for dinner when we were kids, it was the same thing. However, I was very surprised when I saw her because she was not the same. When she died, she was old, but there she didn't seem to be old. I didn't expect to see her so well . And my uncle, who had died young didn't look like he did at his death (he died of cancer) It was them.... but they were really nice and seemed in good shape.
When you met your grandmother and your uncle, you remember where you were? Were you in a particular place?
Oh yes! I do not think it was paradise but maybe somewhere between the two, a sort of waiting room, a beautiful place ... I felt an energy fed into the top of my head. This energy restored my strength. Like when you consume a meal while you're exhausted and hungry. I asked them if the light was God and they said no. They found that funny and said: "No, no, no ... The light is not God. The light is what happens when God breathes."
(They said) It is not God? You say "they"? Who were these people ?
I knew some, and not others ... There were uncles, cousins, aunts ... It was as if everyone knew that this was so . They were clothed in light. This is what struck me the most. They looked like human beings but unlike us they were clothed in light. They were beings of light, all of which had different tones. They don't communicate by direct voice.
In this place, you saw an aunt you did not know had died ? Was she dead long ago?
No. She died when I was in the hospital. I was very surprised to see her.
Did you discuss your experience to others other than your doctor?
Yes, everyone. It was pretty funny also. I thought I had hallucinations and when I talked with my family and my husband, we were joking. That made everyone laugh with the exception of nurses, the doctor, the anesthesiologist and neurophysiologists ... They did not seem to find it funny and they hardly dared to look at me. In fact, they knew that I was not hallucinating and that this had occurred. They had never heard of such things before. I thought maybe it was my imagination and I had a dream, but they told me that this was not the case and what I saw really happened.
This is surprising, they were convinced you were not hallucinating! In most cases where people report such things to their doctor, the doctor will think they are hallucinating ...
They kept telling me that it was not a hallucination ... And I sometimes still do not believe them. Many people ask me what does it mean. They are searching for religious answers to try to make sense of this experience. I have no answer to give them, and I do not know what it all means. All I know is that it happened. For the meaning, it would have to go to another person. Not me, I'm a musician.
Which other details you remember?
I saw a heart-lung machine. I knew what it was. I saw the (operating room) lights and I could see the tops of (their) heads, (the room was) full of heads. More heads than I had ever seen (there were in fact over twenty) There were many people in the room. And my hair was cut in a strange way. I expected them to have shaved all my head but they did not.
You had your eyes completely closed, headphones on your ears and your body temperature was 15.5 degrees. How do you think you could see all these things?
I don't know. Dr. Spetzler also said he doesn't know. Sometimes I think he knows, but he prefers not to say anything. And sometimes I think he's just like everyone else and he has no idea. I think he knows how the brain works and how the mind works. I think he knows that we have a soul for example. I do not see what the problem is. The brain is like a computer that runs our body but the soul directs energy when we have a body.
I know I was dead because someone (one of the doctors) told me that I was dead. On religious or spiritual level, it has not changed me but anyway, we are talking about a personal experience. I believe deep within me belongs to me.
I feel you're still excited when you talk about this experience ?...
I think anyone who experienced what I did would feel the same. I wish everyone could experience this. So that no more questions would arise, everyone would know (life goes on) I think this is beyond science.
Was this first published with Michael Sabom ?
As I have said, the doctors (At Barrow N. Institute) knew from the beginning that it happened and I think they wanted to find out what it was, how to use it. Dr. Sabom wrote a book about this experience, and he has spoken first. But everyone present knew it from the beginning. It was not a secret.
Thank you. I think your testimony has been very helpful. In our society, many people are afraid to die. And you?
No! Are you kidding? I am more afraid to live! Dying is nothing. It's easy ... living is hard.......
(This post was last modified: 2019-05-28, 05:07 PM by tim.)
I note Linda has obviously been over to Gerry Woerlee's website to get some ammunition (Pam's last interview) which she thinks she can use to assist her trolling activities.
Sadly for Linda, it was me that found the last interview and it was originally in French. I did my best with it but that's how it came out. Some of the little details were not quite right but the thing was, it wasn't meant to be the definitive interview, I only thought it was interesting because it was her last (Poignant)that's why I stuck it up on a forum.
That's where Gerry saw it and thought he could make use of the inconsistencies (shenanigans) so he pinched it. Now Linda's trying to use it....what an utter joke. By the way, when the interview was conducted Pam was very ill. (I've underlined part of the interview that didn't match up with her other interviews but the reason is that I don't speak French.
You had this operation and experience a long time ago now. You remember where you were and what you thought before surgery?
Pamela Reynolds: Before the operation, I had a terrible headache that no one could explain and for which there was no effective treatment. They called it the "cluster headache". I had three small children who needed to be attended to and for years I continued to live as if nothing had happened. Then one day my husband and I went to Virginia to promote a record, and I fell very ill. On my return, my mother decided to call the doctor for whom she had worked as an assistant, convinced that I had a problem in my brain.
We went to his office and he sent me directly for analysis. When he had the test results, he told me that I had an aneurysm and I that had to prepare myself for the end, see a lawyer, prepare for my departure and enjoy my children while I can …. he was telling me that I had no chance of survival and it was very hard for him. He was a family friend and I knew him since childhood. The chance that this operation would succeed was very slim but it was my only chance to stay alive.
Were you asleep already entering the operating room?
I don't remember the operating room. I remember anaesthesia then nothing until the time I left my body through the top of the head. I know it sounds crazy but that's what happened. I left my body through the top of my head and I could see my body from above.
How did you feel when you realized that you were outside of your body?
I was quite happy , it was surprising. Then I saw something that made noise. A sound I had heard for the first time just before leaving my body. I heard this thing making noise. Then I saw the doctor, Dr Spetzler, I presume, who held the object, a kind of saw. I saw the box where they were stored the different bits they kept in there, an impressive selection.
Then I heard: "Her arteries and veins are too small," and the voice of Dr. Spetzler answer: "Use the other side." At that time, I was afraid because it was a brain surgery and I saw them operate at the leg. I was afraid that they had made a mistake and were operating in the wrong place. There were too many people so I couldn't see what she was doing on the leg. I just knew they weren't operating in the right place and to tell you the truth, it was terrifying.
When you saw the tool used by Dr. Spetzler was it already in use? What did you see during this experience?
No. the noise was just beginning. But he used it before I left the operating room (into the other dimension). I know this because the noise made by the saw became louder. At first you hear a sound and the sound becomes more pronounced. Well, it was the same thing and then I knew he was going to use this tool. Just after hearing that my veins and my arteries were too small and after thinking they were in the wrong place for the operation, I saw a tiny dot of light and I heard my grandmother called me. So I went towards it and I thought I must be dying.
Then I told myself that I did not deserve to be there because I was not someone that was perfect. She started to laugh. She told me - not talking to me because they have another way to communicate - I was like a child who is sent to school; they were proud of me and that I deserved to be in their presence. I saw many people I knew and also many others that I did not know but I knew that I was related (to them) in some way. I knew I was going to return to our world.
I didn't want to, but I think I had already made the choice before I even got there because I had children and a husband, and that it was not time for me. However, I wanted to join this light, which became greater than ever. I wanted to go in.. but I was not allowed to. They told me that if I went too far, I couldn't return to the "me" that was on the operating table with surgeons and nurses.
Then my uncle took me back (down the tunnel) and asked me to return to my body. He told me it was like jumping into a pool but I didn't want to.... I was afraid it would hurt and I did not want to return. So he told me, "Do you not you want to see your children? Do you not love your husband? And my sister, your mother?"
At that moment, I thought my children would be okay and that my husband would take care of them and my mother had always been able to cope, so I had no intention of returning. Then he pushed me and it felt like as if I had been pushed into a pool of ice water. It was cold, uncomfortable, and my chest ached. Then I heard the defibrillator on two occasions. The first time, I did hear that, but the second time I saw them. What surprised me the most that day, is that they had music in the operating room. I did not know that was done. I heard a song by "The Eagles", "Hotel California", and words that say: "You can check out any time you like but you can never leave." I thought it was terrible ... So insensitive. I also told my doctor when I woke up (later) He said that I needed more sleep ... It was impossible for me to have been awake at that time (when I heard the song)
Can we go back to your grandmother? Is it that who you saw first? How did it happen?
I heard her voice. I was born with a unique inner ear and I hear voices, sounds and tones pefectly. It was also my job. And I remember very well the voice of my grandmother. On hearing it, I remembered the time she used to call us for dinner when we were kids, it was the same thing. However, I was very surprised when I saw her because she was not the same. When she died, she was old, but there she didn't seem to be old. I didn't expect to see her so well . And my uncle, who had died young didn't look like he did at his death (he died of cancer) It was them.... but they were really nice and seemed in good shape.
When you met your grandmother and your uncle, you remember where you were? Were you in a particular place?
Oh yes! I do not think it was paradise but maybe somewhere between the two, a sort of waiting room, a beautiful place ... I felt an energy fed into the top of my head. This energy restored my strength. Like when you consume a meal while you're exhausted and hungry. I asked them if the light was God and they said no. They found that funny and said: "No, no, no ... The light is not God. The light is what happens when God breathes."
(They said) It is not God? You say "they"? Who were these people ?
I knew some, and not others ... There were uncles, cousins, aunts ... It was as if everyone knew that this was so . They were clothed in light. This is what struck me the most. They looked like human beings but unlike us they were clothed in light. They were beings of light, all of which had different tones. They don't communicate by direct voice.
In this place, you saw an aunt you did not know had died ? Was she dead long ago?
No. She died when I was in the hospital. I was very surprised to see her.
Did you discuss your experience to others other than your doctor?
Yes, everyone. It was pretty funny also. I thought I had hallucinations and when I talked with my family and my husband, we were joking. That made everyone laugh with the exception of nurses, the doctor, the anesthesiologist and neurophysiologists ... They did not seem to find it funny and they hardly dared to look at me. In fact, they knew that I was not hallucinating and that this had occurred. They had never heard of such things before. I thought maybe it was my imagination and I had a dream, but they told me that this was not the case and what I saw really happened.
This is surprising, they were convinced you were not hallucinating! In most cases where people report such things to their doctor, the doctor will think they are hallucinating ...
They kept telling me that it was not a hallucination ... And I sometimes still do not believe them. Many people ask me what does it mean. They are searching for religious answers to try to make sense of this experience. I have no answer to give them, and I do not know what it all means. All I know is that it happened. For the meaning, it would have to go to another person. Not me, I'm a musician.
Which other details you remember?
I saw a heart-lung machine. I knew what it was. I saw the (operating room) lights and I could see the tops of (their) heads, (the room was) full of heads. More heads than I had ever seen (there were in fact over twenty) There were many people in the room. And my hair was cut in a strange way. I expected them to have shaved all my head but they did not.
You had your eyes completely closed, headphones on your ears and your body temperature was 15.5 degrees. How do you think you could see all these things?
I don't know. Dr. Spetzler also said he doesn't know. Sometimes I think he knows, but he prefers not to say anything. And sometimes I think he's just like everyone else and he has no idea. I think he knows how the brain works and how the mind works. I think he knows that we have a soul for example. I do not see what the problem is. The brain is like a computer that runs our body but the soul directs energy when we have a body.
I know I was dead because someone (one of the doctors) told me that I was dead. On religious or spiritual level, it has not changed me but anyway, we are talking about a personal experience. I believe deep within me belongs to me.
I feel you're still excited when you talk about this experience ?...
I think anyone who experienced what I did would feel the same. I wish everyone could experience this. So that no more questions would arise, everyone would know (life goes on) I think this is beyond science.
Was this first published with Michael Sabom ?
As I have said, the doctors (At Barrow N. Institute) knew from the beginning that it happened and I think they wanted to find out what it was, how to use it. Dr. Sabom wrote a book about this experience, and he has spoken first. But everyone present knew it from the beginning. It was not a secret.
Thank you. I think your testimony has been very helpful. In our society, many people are afraid to die. And you?
No! Are you kidding? I am more afraid to live! Dying is nothing. It's easy ... living is hard.......
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