Mega-Thread: Contrary and Confusing Claims about Parnia, Greyson and more?

No, it's not just thanatophobia. I have addressed this in other threads.

I don't want to argue with you Sci. I'm just nervous about these claims and whether they have any shred of truth to them, or whether I can just dismiss them all, or whether my own criticisms of them are valid. I know there's no definitive proof/hard evidence. But I don't think that justifies ridicule, mockery, slanderous accusations etc. of the researchers, doctors, philosophers etc. It's horrible, because then they get likes and stuff.

Well regarding the "ridicule, mockery, etc"....I think you are making those skeptical comments with so many "likes" over there and then coming here and pretending to be a proponent saying those very same comments are just so compelling but also upsetting. Since you got here you've been trying to get people to visit these other sites.

So what's your plan? Just continually post random skeptical commentary from other places on here crying about how bad it makes you feel, how you couldn't help but looking at skeptic forum posts but now you just so desperately need someone to address the argument?

But I guess all your problems are just the perfect storm where you just have to endlessly post skeptical arguments on this forum, no matter how non-credible the source of said pseudo-skepticism is?

But the same problems prevent you from going off and actually attempting to have your personal paranormal experiences and so your only refuge is flooding this forum with quotes from other sites - forums, Youtube comment sections, Reddit, etc?

Heck, post the skeptic arguments when they have some credibility but please drop this ridiculous sham.

Well regarding the "ridicule, mockery, etc"....I think you are making those skeptical comments with so many "likes" over there and then coming here and pretending to be a proponent saying those very same comments are just so compelling but also upsetting. Since you got here you've been trying to get people to visit these other sites.

So what's your plan? Just continually post random skeptical commentary from other places on here crying about how bad it makes you feel, how you couldn't help but looking at skeptic forum posts but now you just so desperately need someone to address the argument?

But I guess all your problems are just the perfect storm where you just have to endlessly post skeptical arguments on this forum, no matter how non-credible the source of said pseudo-skepticism is?

But the same problems prevent you from going off and actually attempting to have your personal paranormal experiences and so your only refuge is flooding this forum with quotes from other sites - forums, Youtube comment sections, Reddit, etc?

Heck, post the skeptic arguments when they have some credibility but please drop this ridiculous sham.

I am not. I would never join such sites after seeing how they behave to proponents. I would never be so harsh and cruel either. I can't imagine the effect their comments have had on others. They often violate the own rules of their own forum when it comes to ethics/conduct.

I get worried if I see an argument or more likely, a study, that I'm not sure has been addressed. It might have been but sometimes, even when I search it up, I might not find it and thus assume it hasn't been acknowledged. 

Well that's my issue. I don't know how credible they are because even though I'm usually confident they aren't, at times I think "but what if...?"

If it helps, I'll try not to post loads on this thread or other skeptical ones so as to avoid spam. But I can't just dismiss them because they're a 'skeptic'...sometimes. I feel the need to engage with them so I can understand why they're wrong. Additionally, I would not waste my time posting everything else that is non-skeptical if I was a troll. I simply do not have the confidence you have attained Sci.

Please see the thread where I gave the link to my old Reddit account as well. 

And no, I have reached out in the past to proponents.

I don't get likes though. and they on their much larger forum. They do (thought they tend to follow each other around like a gang on some threads to ensure this, at least recently). It makes me feel less likely to be correct, I guess?

I do point out the issues yes, but I don't know whether some of my rebuttals are...correct. The more they make claims about cardiac arrest (usually without mentioning the brainstem mind you), the more the waters are muddied for me.

There's just so much contradictory stuff it's difficult coming to terms with it all. I'm a pain in the ass no doubt 

I'll probably deal with the 'skeptics claiming to have NDEs that remain skeptics' at some point in this thread as a focus because that's probably more of a skeptical talking point I'd imagine.

The thing is its not about their likes. Like I said they're with their group that agrees with them of course they're gonna get likes. And with your rebuttals, they ARE right, because every time you post the same king of thing we post replies that are pretty much exactly the same as what you say yourself in the post. You should try and look up rebuttals appropriate to what you're worried about on here and if you can't, THEN make a giant post about it. I survived off google and rebuttals by professional for years I'm sure you can too.

Now those articles, they're interesting if you just posted those people wouldn't be so tired.

- Like Tim said with life support, old shit not even right.
- DMT trips have only a passing resemblance to NDEs. The different between skydiving and being thrown out of a plane as I like to say. Also, something I never knew about but heard from Greyson, when you come into hospital with something like a drug overdose they give you a shot to immediately shut down anything going on in your system. I don't know if that applies to a halleucinagenic like DMT but if it does you can throw that out too.
- The single neuron involved with perception study is something they're trying to use as an angle like "well you only need this tiny bit of remaining activity so NDEs are just brains". Nevermind that there's still been cases of no recorded brain activity in NDEs (Pam Reynolds) and that there's all the OTHER shit you need to explain too.

I don't think you're a skeptic in disguise Omni. You guys that are implying that need to chill the hell out. Omni's probably a sprat, and when I was a sprat reseaeching this stuff every big of info sent me sprawling over the edge looking for rebuttals and clarifications and trying to confirm that what I knew was still right. I never knew about websites like this though so I had to be content with google and whatever blog I could find. If I knew this place existed I probably would have done the same thing, post my woes constantly knowing that a bunch of people smarter than me could just explain them away and it'd be right.

Omni, like some others have said, stay the fuck away from forums. Make a rule for yourself, only post articles. If we wanted to just back and forth we'd GO to those forums. Now for what I said, google, do your own research, do your own research from stuff that's been posted on here and if you still cant find anything THEN post. Also cut down your post sizes, they sound like paranoid rambles. Just go "article - hey guys here's this thing I found here's these few things I think are wrong with it from my own research - what're your thoughts?", that's something that's easier to read and might get you a better reaction. If you ever post about skeptic NDEs do that type of thing, because it looks nicer, doesn't sound so paranoid and rambly and isnt just rehashing old posts.

I am not. I would never join such sites after seeing how they behave to proponents. I would never be so harsh and cruel either.

I get worried if I see an argument that I'm not sure has been addressed. 

Well that's my issue. I don't know how credible they are because even though I'm usually confident they aren't, at times I think "but what if...?"

If it helps, I'll try not to post loads on this thread or other skeptical ones so as to avoid spam. But I can't just dismiss them because they're a 'skeptic'...sometimes. I feel the need to engage with them so I can understand why they're wrong. Additionally, I would not waste my time posting everything else that is non-skeptical if I was a troll.

And no, I have reached out in the past to proponents.

Those comments from Unexplained Mysteries are from 2018...you seem to have a treasure trove of skeptical commentary on hand to post here every day. I think you are one of those skeptics and now you want to replay your "greatest hits" from other forums on this one.

The rest of your post is your usual excuse making, crying about how mean the skeptics are and how you are so insecure. 

But the bottom line is you are going to just keep posting, endlessly apologizing for finding one more skeptical argument that just has to be addressed. And you won't be taking a break from it to work on lucid dreaming, building an ancestor shrine, or  whatever else people have said lets them communicate with the dead.

We just have to accept this endless cycle of you being triggered by internet commentary unless you get banned....though I believe you've already laid your parasite eggs by making some sock-puppet accounts so even then it wouldn't matter.

Is my summary of the situation accurate?

Those comments from Unexplained Mysteries are from 2018...you seem to have a treasure trove of skeptical commentary on hand to post here every day. I think you are one of those skeptics and now you want to replay your "greatest hits" from other forums on this one.

The rest of your post is your usual excuse making, crying about how mean the skeptics are and how you are so insecure. 

But the bottom line is you are going to just keep posting, endlessly apologizing for finding one more skeptical argument that just has to be addressed. And you won't be taking a break from it to work on lucid dreaming, building an ancestor shrine, or  whatever else people have said lets them communicate with the dead.

We just have to accept this endless cycle of you being triggered by internet commentary unless you get banned....though I believe you've already laid your parasite eggs by making some sock-puppet accounts so even then it wouldn't matter.

Is my summary of the situation accurate?

Mate, chill the fuck out. It's not some grand conspiracy. He's a sprat, probably a teenager, who gets stressed out by every single skeptical take he sees and seeks confirmation against it. That's why he'd have his treasure trove, he'd have all these points that stress him out he constantly goes back to cause he hasn't learnt how to just get past them yet.

I don't think you're a skeptic in disguise Omni. You guys that are implying that need to chill the hell out.

Nah, he's a fraud. And if I'm wrong I don't feel bad at all, because if it quacks/walks like a duck...

Mate, chill the fuck out. It's not some grand conspiracy. He's a sprat, probably a teenager, who gets stressed out by every single skeptical take he sees and seeks confirmation for it. That's why he'd have his treasure trove, he'd have all these points that stress him out he constantly goes back to cause he hasn't learnt how to just get past them yet.

It isn't a grand conspiracy, it's one person making up this silly persona.

You act like I'm screaming in anger in real life. I just have some time this afternoon to address the nonsense that a lot of posters here are tired of.

I didn't say Omni should be banned, just that he should admit his real intentions. He can keep posting actual skeptical arguments it's this silliness about being a proponent that should be dropped.

It isn't a grand conspiracy, it's one person making up this silly persona.

You act like I'm screaming in anger in real life. I just have some time this afternoon to address the nonsense that a lot of posters here are tired of.

I didn't say Omni should be banned, just that he should admit his real intentions. He can keep posting actual skeptical arguments it's this silliness about being a proponent that should be dropped.

How do you know his real intentions though? You're coming at it like he's a bloody Paul in disguise. I use to be all young and shaken like Omni is now so I understand why he posts like he does. This stuff shakes him up and he can't help but looking at it cause he wants to see people in this forum change their mind and come around to the light. But when they don't he gets freaked out and comes and posts here so we can settle his mind. Exact same way I use to be. If Omni is a secret whatever I'll eat my hat but if he's not you're coming off like a real prick to someone who's just stressed out about this stuff and is looking for some people who know better to calm him down.

Sci, if there was a way to verify what Smaw has said to you (which is all true btw, thank you Smaw, I assume sprat means young) then I would. I have already previously posted my verified Reddit account which shows where I started. 

I will be taking your advice then Smaw when it comes to posting. I did consider making one solely on 'skeptics claiming to have had NDEs' but there was other stuff that had me quite shocked, appalled or confused. I just wish those people didn't get attention on their sites, often spreading misinformation about stuff.

My 'real intentions' I guess are seeking clarification, reassurance, correction, information, evidence etc. regarding these topics. I was drawn here because I prefer this community and resources to Skeptiko and I recognised some familiar faces when I was a lurker.

How do you know his real intentions though? You're coming at it like he's a bloody Paul in disguise.

Paul doesn't scour Youtube comments or theories from anonymous people on Reddit and post them here.

As for Omni's real intentions, he was happy to promote the skeptical claim that Jim Tucker was easily duped or in on the trick regarding a reincarnation. (Of course he pretended it was just really upsetting him...)

But this was easily shown to be false, all you had to do was read one page of Tucker's report.

Yet when it comes to skeptics Omni lists detailed point by point analysis, even on a four hour Youtube video by some nobody named "Digital Gnosis". But we should be worried about Bruce Greyson's work because too many Christians supposedly like what he's written...

I disagree with just about everything Paul believes, metaphysically speaking, but I have way more respect for him than I do a fraud like Omni.