Kastrup: Idea of the World

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(2023-12-11, 11:30 PM)sbu Wrote: Did you watch the video? It’s quite long - do they discuss anything new?

Hmmm I think this probably depends on how much of Kastrup's work one has read. I do think there are some things in there but I don't know if any of it is especially new.

I'd say the UAP/NDE stuff might be, if not necessarily something newly stated, consolidated in a nice way. Which isn't to say I (or anyone else) agrees with Kastrup's takes here.

Edit: To give a concrete example I think his Super Psi type explanations fall flat.
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- Bertrand Russell


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Quote:In this lecture given at the G10 conference, the director of the Essentia Foundation, Bernardo Kastrup, argues why the idea of conscious AI, though we cannot refute it categorically, is silly.

Perhaps we should rather ask ourselves the question why we entertain the idea of sentient computers in the first place.

According to Kastrup, this has a lot to do with the fact that most computer scientists are power users of computers but they've never built a computer themselves. If they had, they would be familiar with the nuts and bolts, and they would understand that the idea of microscopic transistors becoming conscious is not that different than proposing that a sufficiently complex sewage system—consisting of water pipes and valves—would become conscious.

Exactly because AI is having a fundamental impact on society with many regulatory and perhaps even existential challenges, it is very important that especially in academia we strongly distinguish between fact and fiction: to think that AI's running on Turing machines—i.e. all AI's we currently have—can become conscious is not even science fiction, it's pure fantasy.


00:00
Introduction
04:12 Start of Lecture on Al and Consciousness
06:23
Bernardo Kastrup's Background and Perspective
07:41 Early Career and Al Experimentation
10:43
Challenges in Al Consciousness
13:07
Philosophical and Practical Implications
15:45
Arguments & Critique of Al Sentience
18:55 Obvious Differences Between Al and Human Brain
21:32
Computer Scientists, Misconceptions & Sensationalism
28:42 Cultural and Psychological Factors
29:50 What Can We Learn From Nature About Consciousness?
35:11
Panpsychism and Its Flaws
38:27 Quantum Field Theory and Reality
43:44 Moving Forward with Clarity
48:39 Q&A Session
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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Quote:This video explains the two mistakes I believe Bernado Kastrup makes when defending his version of idealism: Analytic Idealism.

Link to video about indirect realism:   [Image: yt_favicon_ringo2.png] • The world isn't real because of this...  

00:00
- Introduction
00:38 - Disclaimer
01:08 - Issue 1: Kastrup's method of argument
01:49
- The entropy argument
10:06
- The evolution argument
15:47 - The mistake in Kastrup's method
18:17 - Issue 2: The nature of universal consciousness
19:50
- Explaining analytic idealism
26:36
- Why evolution cannot explain meta-consciousness
30:49
- Could universal consciousness be God?
33:22 - My (humble) advice to Kastrup

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Quote:Bernardo Kastrup and I discuss concerns I have with aspects of his metaphysics of Analytic Idealism. (For a link to a video I did on the main problems I see here:   [Image: yt_favicon_ringo2.png] • Bernardo Kastrup's Analytic Idealism ...  ) Kastrup provides important clarifications and further detail. In this discussion we focus discussion on the interaction of scientific evidence with philosophical views, and how modelling can provide insights into the nature of reality.

0:00:00 - Introduction
0:00:46 - Nutshell compared to Baloney
0:04:49
- Does Nutshell reveal your frustration?
0:09:25 - The role of empirical evidence in metaphysics
0:26:03
- How 'real' are physical theories in analytic idealism?
0:31:10 - How does entropy disprove naive realism?
0:39:13
- What does entropy tell us about mind at large?
0:51:45
- How can we make sense of mind at large?
1:06:02
- Does mathematics relate to reality?
1:23:14 - How can we talk or think about reality beyond the dashboard?
1:32:50
- Analytic idealism outlined
1:36:03
- Analytic idealism and behaviourism
1:47:13
- Bodies and corpses
1:56:14
- How does meta-consciousness arise from phenomenal consciousness?
2:06:01
- Does mind at large perceive?
2:12:46
- Mental excitations and appearances
2:30:24
- Things to come in part 2
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell


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