After few year reading stuff about physicist saying about there is no after life (alot) and other say there is an after life i feel lost, being cover with fear and darkness, ask myself what will happen when i lost my family, can i meet them again or just lost them forever.
After that i still dont know how many % is there to have an after life can you answer ?
(2019-07-02, 01:31 PM)Vy Chấn Hải Wrote: After few year reading stuff about physicist saying about there is no after life (alot) and other say there is an after life i feel lost, being cover with fear and darkness, ask myself what will happen when i lost my family, can i meet them again or just lost them forever.
After that i still dont know how many % is there to have an after life can you answer ?
I also fear that darkness (oblivion) which is why I search for answers. The answers, however, are never certain. They are tantalisingly out of reach of such certainty. Maybe, in my estimation, about 95% of the journey towards certainty. One day, when I die, it will be 100%.
I do not make any clear distinction between mind and God. God is what mind becomes when it has passed beyond the scale of our comprehension. Freeman Dyson
(2019-07-02, 01:31 PM)Vy Chấn Hải Wrote: After few year reading stuff about physicist saying about there is no after life (alot) and other say there is an after life i feel lost, being cover with fear and darkness, ask myself what will happen when i lost my family, can i meet them again or just lost them forever.
After that i still dont know how many % is there to have an after life can you answer ?
Can't see how anyone can say there isn't, or there is, with any certainty at all. Rationally it seems 50:50 to me, might be, or might not be... but I tend towards there probably being some type of experience after my death... but possibly not one I'm likely to be able to understand from here.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Max_B Wrote:Can't see how anyone can say there isn't, or there is, with any certainty at all. Rationally it seems 50:50 to me, might be, or might not be... but I tend towards there probably being some type of experience after my death... but possibly not one I'm likely to be able to understand from here.
What else could seeing your own body from above, travelling down a tunnel towards an unearthly (heavenly) light, and meeting your deceased relatives who look very much alive (all when you have no brain activity) actually mean ?
Kamarling Wrote:I also fear that darkness (oblivion) which is why I search for answers. The answers, however, are never certain. They are tantalisingly out of reach of such certainty. Maybe, in my estimation, about 95% of the journey towards certainty. One day, when I die, it will be 100%.
"The answers, however, are never certain."
Not for us, no, Dave but many of those that have had the experience claim to know for certain, don't they. Doesn't prove anything of course but it's at least persuasive.
(2019-07-02, 06:58 PM)tim Wrote: What else could seeing your own body from above, travelling down a tunnel towards an unearthly (heavenly) light, and meeting your deceased relatives who look very much alive (all when you have no brain activity) actually mean ?
It couldn't be, could it ?
Sometimes experients see relatives who are still alive? Other experients have seen not their deceased relative, but the deceased relative of a person working to resuscitate them?
Not everybody who has an apparent veridical NDE OBE see's themselves from above, for example, some who do see themselves, see themselves not from above, but from an everyday first person perspective.
Personally I think there is a clue in your use of the words 'deceased relatives' to describe parts of the imagery recalled by some near death experients. Because the experient becoming deceased is also often a very real concern of those around the experient.
As you know, I don't accept the idea of no brain activity at all. Even though the organism may appear behaviorally unconscious, the majority of the cells that make up the organism will still be viable and/or functional, otherwise people couldn't tell us about their NDE after their resuscitation.
What does it mean?
To me, it suggests our scientific understanding of these matters is very poor... and one should probably be looking towards cutting edge physics for help in improving our understanding of what may be going on.
We shall not cease from exploration
And the end of all our exploring
Will be to arrive where we started
And know the place for the first time.
Reply
(This post was last modified: 2019-07-02, 10:33 PM by Max_B.)
In my opinion personal experience would be a primary factor. Next is accumulated evidence of various kinds gathered and reported by others. Overlaid on all of that is ideology or belief, which can override any and all of the above. The latter can sway the balance in any direction, belief is not always 'for', there is plenty of belief 'against'. In that respect, though it plays a major role across the board, I still place ideology last, it is the least dependable.