Influence from other Dimensions?

14 Replies, 1351 Views

I was wondering if there might be some way of directly influencing powerful people if they decided to do something catastrophic? By influencing them, I’m not talking about human influence, but a higher being.

Say Donald woke up today and though ‘fuck this’ and decided to nuke Iran. Would he be totally able to do so or would ‘something’ change his mind?
Oh my God, I hate all this.   Surprise
[-] The following 2 users Like Stan Woolley's post:
  • Ninshub, Typoz
(2018-12-15, 12:36 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: I was wondering if there might be some way of directly influencing powerful people if they decided to do something catastrophic? By influencing them, I’m not talking about human influence, but a higher being.

Say Donald woke up today and though ‘fuck this’ and decided to nuke Iran. Would he be totally able to do so or would ‘something’ change his mind?

Just recall human history. Was anyone ever stopped by a higher being?
(2018-12-15, 05:23 PM)Steve001 Wrote: Just recall human history. Was anyone ever stopped by a higher being?

Who is in a position to answer that question?

Serious answer:

A) a purported higher being would be able to answer that question, conditionally, should they choose to do so, and should we be willing and able to listen.

B) an ordinary person might be able to answer that question. But how they interpreted what had happened might use other metaphors or concepts.

Certainly we have as a human race been within a hair's breadth of unleashing nuclear war at least once, possibly more than once. How it was averted may be interesting to study.


Footnote: a purported 'higher being' might just be a deceased relative, it doesn't necessarily imply something beyond our conception.
(This post was last modified: 2018-12-15, 05:58 PM by Typoz.)
[-] The following 3 users Like Typoz's post:
  • Valmar, Stan Woolley, Ninshub
(2018-12-15, 05:52 PM)Typoz Wrote: Who is in a position to answer that question?

Serious answer:

A) a purported higher being would be able to answer that question, conditionally, should they choose to do so, and should we be willing and able to listen.

B) an ordinary person might be able to answer that question. But how they interpreted what had happened might use other metaphors or concepts.

Certainly we have as a human race been within a hair's breadth of unleashing nuclear war at least once, possibly more than once. How it was averted may be interesting to study.

One can believe any unjust historical event for that matter any injustice was thwarted by a higher being. The question remains can direct evidence be found? How was nuclear war averted would require a read through of history. I wonder, have you and Stan considered this is just a rewording of the "problem of suffering" and such intervention would make null and void free will?
I see little reason why it couldn't happen but I also see little reason for why it ever would. Said being would have to have something lose lose from not intervening or gain from intervening. Generally speaking, as a being gets more powerful and more capable of such intervention, its reason to intervene goes down as it would be unaffected either way. 

Eventually all that would be left would be purely emotional reasons, and even then, if you then assume that life isn't the end, then who cares if millions "die"? This gets further and further exacerbated when you start talking about the idea of alternate realities, it starts to seem like life is kinda infinite and you can kill off hundreds of trillions of people and not really notice.

As real world example go, there's lots of random tribal wars and whatnot happening all over the world all the time, little regional conflicts, the big countries, the ones that actually matter, don't intervene in all of them. Because there's nothing to gain from it, There no resources they want, it's not a geostrategic location to put a base to protect/engage a rival, so who cares?

Now imagine an alien civilization that's figured out energy mass conversion, or a being with so much magic they can build their own universes. There's nothing here that they could possibly need. It gets to the point where people just have to, quite frankly, "know their place" and understand just how little they and everything around them matters given how weak they are.

::EDIT::

I probably should've also pointed out that all needs are really just wants, you only "need" food if you "want" to survive for example, and obviously there's some people in teh world who don't want that.  making the entire thing that much more unlikely again.
"The cure for bad information is more information."
(This post was last modified: 2018-12-15, 07:18 PM by Mediochre.)
(2018-12-15, 05:52 PM)Typoz Wrote: Who is in a position to answer that question?

Serious answer:

A) a purported higher being would be able to answer that question, conditionally, should they choose to do so, and should we be willing and able to listen.

B) an ordinary person might be able to answer that question. But how they interpreted what had happened might use other metaphors or concepts.

Certainly we have as a human race been within a hair's breadth of unleashing nuclear war at least once, possibly more than once. How it was averted may be interesting to study.

This is more the type of thing I was getting at. I think there have been a number of military nuclear incidents that are known about, how many are not known? Of course such questions raise other questions, about free-will and others. 

Steve of course couldn’t resist a fishing expedition.  Tongue 

I think that such decisions might involve those higher up the management levels than dead relatives, I think the strategic levels might be involved if the fate of millions were to be changed. We have known that UFOs have been interested in nuclear weapons for many decades, see the book UFOs and Nukes. If advanced beings are interested in them, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a close watch is kept on individuals like Trump, Putin and others. 

Just something to think about.
Oh my God, I hate all this.   Surprise
[-] The following 3 users Like Stan Woolley's post:
  • Valmar, Ninshub, Typoz
(2018-12-15, 08:43 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: This is more the type of thing I was getting at. I think there have been a number of military nuclear incidents that are known about, how many are not known? Of course such questions raise other questions, about free-will and others. 

Steve of course couldn’t resist a fishing expedition.  Tongue 

I think that such decisions might involve those higher up the management levels than dead relatives, I think the strategic levels might be involved if the fate of millions were to be changed. We have known that UFOs have been interested in nuclear weapons for many decades, see the book UFOs and Nukes. If advanced beings are interested in them, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if a close watch is kept on individuals like Trump, Putin and others. 

Just something to think about.


That also brings up an interesting component that, if they are interested in these things, that tells you something about their current technological level. That there could be something to gain or lose indicates that, probably, resources and whatnot still matter to them. which means they're not on the level of producing functionally infinite energy and/or energy mass conversion. Likewise physical space and distance would still matter since other reasons for being involved could be that the sol system is a strategic point between other empires.

I personally, highly, highly doubt that any race would want to be involved just because "oh it hurts our feelings to see them fight." or anything like that. Not unless it takes an infinitesimally small amount of resources for them to do. I'd at least expect a lot more overt acts by this point if that were the case. Since the current covert way things seem to be done suggest there's something to lose if things are revealed in the wrong way, which indicates some form of weakness.

However the covert nature could have little to do with humanity finding out and more to do with other aliens finding out. A very complex issue with many possibilities.
"The cure for bad information is more information."
Quote:That there could be something to gain or lose indicates that, probably, resources and whatnot still matter to them.
Hi Mediocre
It’s interesting how you have twice mentioned about ‘them having something to win or lose’, it seems to be all about winning or losing? 
When I first thought about this, from my pov any others intervening or somehow directing the situation we’re doing so without any selfish interest, it would be for our benefit only, well, maybe not only, but it would be similar to a camera crew intervening to save the life of an endangered animal in special circumstances.
Oh my God, I hate all this.   Surprise
[-] The following 1 user Likes Stan Woolley's post:
  • Valmar
(2018-12-15, 10:41 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: it would be similar to a camera crew intervening to save the life of an endangered animal in special circumstances.
Rings a bell... (not quite the same scenario)
[-] The following 2 users Like Typoz's post:
  • Ninshub, Stan Woolley
(2018-12-15, 10:41 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: Hi Mediocre
It’s interesting how you have twice mentioned about ‘them having something to win or lose’, it seems to be all about winning or losing? 
When I first thought about this, from my pov any others intervening or somehow directing the situation we’re doing so without any selfish interest, it would be for our benefit only, well, maybe not only, but it would be similar to a camera crew intervening to save the life of an endangered animal in special circumstances.

There's no such thing as selfless, even if the only thing you get out of it is that warm fuzzy feeling from doing it, that feeling was the reward and you wouldn't've done it if you didn't get that feeling. Although it's certainly possible that the whole endangered animal type scenario could happen, an exponentially more likely reason is going to boil down to resources.

If you still require resources to live then you're not just going to randomly throw them away for someone else just to make yourself feel better unless you can afford to.

[edited out for being unrelated]
"The cure for bad information is more information."
(This post was last modified: 2018-12-16, 12:11 AM by Mediochre.)
[-] The following 1 user Likes Mediochre's post:
  • Stan Woolley

  • View a Printable Version
Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)