Child drowns. Dies. Comes back five hours later .

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If this can happen , how can we ever say some really is dead . Meaning NDE’s represent , death, coming back, and seeing the “other side.”

I know the arguments . People will say the medical team didn’t thoroughly check for signs of life or were so faint , couldn’t detect it . 

I don’t know . I understand with cardiac arrest and all that, conscious experiences like that shouldn’t happen .

But when we hear stories of , during CPR, signs of various brain waves can show up that reflect awareness . 

Anyway ..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...later.html
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(2026-03-06, 04:21 AM)Bill37 Wrote: If this can happen , how can we ever say some really is dead . Meaning NDE’s represent , death, coming back, and seeing the “other side.”

Quote:Originating from the Old English for "watch" or "guard," the WAKE was a period of sitting with the body to prevent premature burial. 

My grandmother woke in the morgue with a toe tag after dying during childbirth, then lived to 100.
There is also the old bell at the grave...
Quote:Grave bells, popular in the 19th century, were part of "safety coffins" designed to prevent premature burial. Due to fears of being buried alive during cholera epidemics or coma, a string connected to a bell above ground was attached to a person's hand in the coffin to alert watchmen if they awoke.

Technology certainly has advantages, but things like this may hopefully alter the speed at which we give up on people and pronounce them dead.
(2026-03-06, 04:21 AM)Bill37 Wrote: If this can happen , how can we ever say some really is dead . Meaning NDE’s represent , death, coming back, and seeing the “other side.”

I know the arguments . People will say the medical team didn’t thoroughly check for signs of life or were so faint , couldn’t detect it . 

I don’t know . I understand with cardiac arrest and all that, conscious experiences like that shouldn’t happen .

But when we hear stories of , during CPR, signs of various brain waves can show up that reflect awareness . 

Anyway ..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article...later.html

Regarding “strange signs of various brain waves” : indicating the person wasnt really dead – Those gamma rays or what ever they are , are not anything approaching what is required for a conscious experience and are just a hand wave used by debunkers to dismiss nde's and other anomalous phenomena. Also for a phenomenon like nde's to have any real significants reqires repeatable laboratory experiments which couldn't be created ethically
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As linked from the Daily Mail article, the source report:

Child comes back to life after drowning in Gilbert backyard pool

From the report, it seems the full details of the timeline are not available.
Quote:It remains unclear whether the child was taken to the hospital morgue after being declared dead and later showed signs of life, or whether 11:30 p.m. was simply when the Gilbert Police Department received an update on the child’s condition.

Though there is enough information to make it a remarkable case.

Not altogether surprising, since it is consistent with what Dr Sam Parnia has been saying for years, that (a) death is a process, not a moment, and (b) it may be reversible provided there is no overwhelming physical damage or decay. In particular, the cold water in which the child was found gives pretty much ideal conditions for survival to be possible; that is as soon as possible after cardiac arrest, the body and brain are cooled to well below normal body temperature. Also, a child's smaller body would be cooled more rapidly, minimising damage to the body's cells.

What is most surprising is that the active attempts at resuscitation proved unsuccessful, while doing nothing and just leaving the body to take care of itself gave a positive outcome. Probably attempts at resuscitation were stopped too soon.

Though such cases have been reported before, it isn't unique.

What is disappointing is this:
Quote:When asked if he had ever heard of a case like this before, LoVecchio said he had not.
That reflects poorly on the medical education system, at least in terms of textbook knowledge, emergency practitioners should be aware of this.
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