Cherylee Black psychokinesis after NDE, any proof?

Thanks! And don't worry, no offense taken. I was just baffled by how people just assumes that PK/TK is really at work in untested cases such as Mcnamara or Cherylee, honestly I'm still skeptical about true PK

Personally I don't have any opinion on Cherylee (though I realise it is the topic of this thread).

When it comes to Sean McNamara I just keep an open mind. When I first came across his ideas, I noted two things:

• He seemed level-headed, sincere
  
• The videos I watched were tightly edited and left many questions unanswered.
  

After a number of years, I think the quality of the videos has improved a little bit, some of the unanswered questions, the gaps, are being filled in, to some extent.

So my position really is that, based purely on this one person, I'd have to remain open-minded. I just don't have any evidence to throw out his work. But since I didn't re-create his results I don't say I fully accept it either.

Incidentally, I also failed to reproduce the results claimed by Raf999, and since I've not even seen a video to substantiate the experimental outcome, I can't really express any firm view except that it doesn't match my own results. To be clear my own results so far are that the foil under the glass does not move at all. I find no evidence for either heat or air currents.

If someone would like to demonstrate that heat is responsible, I'd be interested to watch such a demonstration.

So my position really is that, based purely on this one person, I'd have to remain open-minded.

Personally this is how I prefer to be about everything. I came to my own search about eight years ago, thinking I might find proof, but I now think believing anything 100% is a trap. It leads to dogma, at least in our current state of consciousness. 

Maybe Nicholson was right? “You can’t handle the truth!”

I would call myself a believer, but only because there isn’t a word to describe someone whose faith in esoteric things is variable from day to day, but generally well above 50%.

Personally I don't have any opinion on Cherylee (though I realise it is the topic of this thread).

When it comes to Sean McNamara I just keep an open mind. When I first came across his ideas, I noted two things:

• He seemed level-headed, sincere
  
• The videos I watched were tightly edited and left many questions unanswered.
  

After a number of years, I think the quality of the videos has improved a little bit, some of the unanswered questions, the gaps, are being filled in, to some extent.

So my position really is that, based purely on this one person, I'd have to remain open-minded. I just don't have any evidence to throw out his work. But since I didn't re-create his results I don't say I fully accept it either.

Incidentally, I also failed to reproduce the results claimed by Raf999, and since I've not even seen a video to substantiate the experimental outcome, I can't really express any firm view except that it doesn't match my own results. To be clear my own results so far are that the foil under the glass does not move at all. I find no evidence for either heat or air currents.

If someone would like to demonstrate that heat is responsible, I'd be interested to watch such a demonstration.

I replicated it only once, the wheel started spinnig rapidly and then came to a halt.

The second and third time nothing happened with hands alone, i had to use a powerful lighter/flame applied directly on the glass for a a minute or so to get the wheel spinning. The glass became so hot i couldn't hold it in my hands without burning myself or at least feeling pain, so it was much, much hotter than what my hands could have achieved in my first test.

I don't know what happened yet, I suppose there is something going on with heat, but it was honestly weird.

I replicated it only once, the wheel started spinnig rapidly and then came to a halt.

The second and third time nothing happened with hands alone, i had to use a powerful lighter/flame applied directly on the glass for a a minute or so to get the wheel spinning. The glass became so hot i couldn't hold it in my hands without burning myself or at least feeling pain, so it was much, much hotter than what my hands could have achieved in my first test.

I don't know what happened yet, I suppose there is something going on with heat, but it was honestly weird.

Thanks for replying with more details.

A couple of brief comments, you already mentioned that the heat from a flame was considerably different to just the applying of hands. It was still a useful observation though, to show that heat could have that effect.

Another thought, there is sometimes something called colloquially "beginner's luck". That's when there may be some sort of result early on, but it doesn't happen again. Often it would be put down to pure chance - but in this particular scenario that wouldn't explain it. My own previous thought was that the equipment itself may not have yet reached equilibrium, for example it may have been stored somewhere, brought out and placed on a table, and hasn't yet reached a steady temperature of its surroundings. Similarly air currents may not have quite subsided. But still, it may be possible that something really did happen (something not explainable by normal means) but that afterwards either excitement or boredom or other thoughts may have changed things.

I'm certainly not trying to say anything unusual did happen, I wasn't there, and we may never know.

Still, if you happen to feel like trying again, it might be worthwhile getting a video camera (or a phone) to film what happens. You don't need to share it or show it to anyone else, just for your own records, to avoid simply relying on memory.

Thanks for replying with more details.

A couple of brief comments, you already mentioned that the heat from a flame was considerably different to just the applying of hands. It was still a useful observation though, to show that heat could have that effect.

Another thought, there is sometimes something called colloquially "beginner's luck". That's when there may be some sort of result early on, but it doesn't happen again. Often it would be put down to pure chance - but in this particular scenario that wouldn't explain it. My own previous thought was that the equipment itself may not have yet reached equilibrium, for example it may have been stored somewhere, brought out and placed on a table, and hasn't yet reached a steady temperature of its surroundings. Similarly air currents may not have quite subsided. But still, it may be possible that something really did happen (something not explainable by normal means) but that afterwards either excitement or boredom or other thoughts may have changed things.

I'm certainly not trying to say anything unusual did happen, I wasn't there, and we may never know.

Still, if you happen to feel like trying again, it might be worthwhile getting a video camera (or a phone) to film what happens. You don't need to share it or show it to anyone else, just for your own records, to avoid simply relying on memory.

Yeah I'll probably try the experiment again. I'm using a smaller wheel and glass container (it's a moderately sized drinking glass  I don't have else avaible right now), but I suppose the results wouldn't change much, it's just a smaller setup

Yeah I'll probably try the experiment again. I'm using a smaller wheel and glass container (it's a moderately sized drinking glass  I don't have else avaible right now), but I suppose the results wouldn't change much, it's just a smaller setup

Yes, I think I will have another go, when I feel like it. I aim this time to use a larger glass cover. In the past I've tried most with a 1-pint beer glass which is quite narrow. Since I didn't try a larger cover yet, that will be my own plan.

Yes, I think I will have another go, when I feel like it. I aim this time to use a larger glass cover. In the past I've tried most with a 1-pint beer glass which is quite narrow. Since I didn't try a larger cover yet, that will be my own plan.

Let me know how it goes. Sean seems to have been recently tested at IONS too, so maybe we'll read something more about him.

What I like is that he offers his course for free. If you want the video tutorials you can pay them, but they aren't needed at all