Cherylee Black psychokinesis after NDE, any proof?

Hi all!

So, I've read "the self does not die" and found it a really good book, lots of well researched veridical informations in it. What puzzles me is how the authors just accept the claims of psychokinesis from Cherylee Black without having apparently any proof of it.

The chapter dedicated to her states that her powers were examined by other people, and also at I place I know nothing about called Rhine I think, but there is basically no proof. There are no public videos of her doing anything at all, and surely not insided a lab.
This seems common with psychokinesis, I've never found any videos of somebody practicing it that haven't been debunked like Nina Kulagina or Uri Geller. What makes Cherylee claims valid? Is this Rhine place so affordable we don't need a video or anything at all to validate their claims?

Hi all!

So, I've read "the self does not die" and found it a really good book, lots of well researched veridical informations in it. What puzzles me is how the authors just accept the claims of psychokinesis from Cherylee Black without having apparently any proof of it.

The chapter dedicated to her states that her powers were examined by other people, and also at I place I know nothing about called Rhine I think, but there is basically no proof. There are no public videos of her doing anything at all, and surely not insided a lab.
This seems common with psychokinesis, I've never found any videos of somebody practicing it that haven't been debunked like Nina Kulagina or Uri Geller. What makes Cherylee claims valid? Is this Rhine place so affordable we don't need a video or anything at all to validate their claims?

I don't know about that case. But I would beware of just sweeping aside the whole of the activity of someone like Uri Geller. It's very clear that he uses conventional conjuring techniques in some of his performances. To me though it isn't entirely clear that everything he ever did can be so easily dismissed. What is done as entertainment for an audience is a different matter compared with tests carried out under controlled conditions and being scrutinised by professional researchers. At the very least I think we should leave the matter open.

I assume that the Rhine name is associated with the prominent researcher Joseph Banks Rhine who was responsible for research in the past, but he died in 1980 and I've no idea what is done in his name today.

As for the book, "the self does not die", it covers a huge quantity of cases, and may perhaps go into more depth in some instances than others. Incidentally, two of the authors, Smithy and Titus Rivas are members of this forum, though ill health has limited the participation in recent times.

I don't know about that case. But I would beware of just sweeping aside the whole of the activity of someone like Uri Geller. It's very clear that he uses conventional conjuring techniques in some of his performances. To me though it isn't entirely clear that everything he ever did can be so easily dismissed. What is done as entertainment for an audience is a different matter compared with tests carried out under controlled conditions and being scrutinised by professional researchers. At the very least I think we should leave the matter open.

I assume that the Rhine name is associated with the prominent researcher Joseph Banks Rhine who was responsible for research in the past, but he died in 1980 and I've no idea what is done in his name today.

As for the book, "the self does not die", it covers a huge quantity of cases, and may perhaps go into more depth in some instances than others. Incidentally, two of the authors, Smithy and Titus Rivas are members of this forum, though ill health has limited the participation in recent times.

I believe they are speaking about a place called "Rhine research centre", a place where they test this kind of stuff. But until I saw public demonstrations filmed in a lab and controlled environement I'll remain skeptical about this powers. After all, nobody claimed the Randi's Prize.

The chapter dedicated to her states that her powers were examined by other people, and also at I place I know nothing about called Rhine I think, but there is basically no proof. There are no public videos of her doing anything at all, and surely not insided a lab.

The Rhine is an active parapsychology research center in North Carolina:

https://www.rhine.org/who-we-are/about-us.html

The Rhine is an active parapsychology research center in North Carolina:

https://www.rhine.org/who-we-are/about-us.html

Are they good? It seems strange that there isn't a single video of this woman using her powers online.

I believe they are speaking about a place called "Rhine research centre", a place where they test this kind of stuff. But until I saw public demonstrations filmed in a lab and controlled environement I'll remain skeptical about this powers. After all, nobody claimed the Randi's Prize.

It is good to remain sceptical, in the sense of asking questions, looking for more information. I wouldn't encourage scepticism as a belief system though, which amounts to not accepting evidence under any circumstances, regardless of validity or not.

As for Randi, well you're new here and not familiar with what has gone before. I don't have a lot to say on that matter, but there are strong opinions hearabouts on the Randi topic. Maybe a search of the forum might bring up some previous posts.

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Sean McNamara posts videos online about his PK work, if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWp1SWV...TMyjAQCr7A

Try his "For Skeptics" playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...6wtnxZ25sU

Hi all!

So, I've read "the self does not die" and found it a really good book, lots of well researched veridical informations in it. What puzzles me is how the authors just accept the claims of psychokinesis from Cherylee Black without having apparently any proof of it.

The chapter dedicated to her states that her powers were examined by other people, and also at I place I know nothing about called Rhine I think, but there is basically no proof. There are no public videos of her doing anything at all, and surely not insided a lab.
This seems common with psychokinesis, I've never found any videos of somebody practicing it that haven't been debunked like Nina Kulagina or Uri Geller. What makes Cherylee claims valid? Is this Rhine place so affordable we don't need a video or anything at all to validate their claims?

I'm pretty sure I've seen a video on line of Cherylee producing PK, Raf. I don't know if she removed it, or not. My opinion of Cherylee is that she is entirely honest and trustworthy. That's all I can say, PK is not one of my interests though it is interesting.

Interesting, I never thought PK to be actually real as most of them had been exposed as frauds (nina kulagina) or wanted to make money/fame out of it suggesting stage magic (uri geller). But it seems that this Rhine Centre really work on this kind of things, so something must be going on or they would have stopped, I suppose. As for Randi, is he as bad as he looks? I always thought he was arrogant, but I believed the Prize to be legit. But I'm very new to this world so I may have to learn who to trust ?

Sean McNamara posts videos online about his PK work, if you're interested:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWp1SWV...TMyjAQCr7A

Try his "For Skeptics" playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL...6wtnxZ25sU

Wow, this looks rather real!

What could it be if not true PK? Hidden magnets shouldn't be moving aluminum as far as I know, but maybe they are rotating the pin? Otherwise I can't understand how he does that.