There seems to be a confidence among a certain sub-set of Idealists that there is no Survival, born of believing that any argument against Materialism that might be posit a soul won't apply to Idealists.
However, this isn't at all clear to me because the qualities of the Intellect that are different from whatever the "physical" is supposed to be seem to hold - at least in some cases - for what Idealist say is the world around us.
For Idealists there are only Conscious Entities and Stuff-in-Consciousness. Or we could say there are Experiencers and Experience, with the external world being experience...and that the "external world" is a group confirmation of commonality between First Person PoVs...which we call the "3rd Person" or "Objective" view.
But, for example, if there is no inherent meaning to the 3rd Person experience then we shouldn't expect to get thoughts just through qualia of the world (which includes the experience of my body and its correlations to my private experience).
Nor is there Reason to be found in the external 3rd Person, even if logical correctness depends on the feeling that an argument or proof is logical.
As such it seems to me arguments that the Classical & Scholastic Philosophers would argue for the soul's immortality still work even if the "physical" is just made "out of" experience?
However, this isn't at all clear to me because the qualities of the Intellect that are different from whatever the "physical" is supposed to be seem to hold - at least in some cases - for what Idealist say is the world around us.
For Idealists there are only Conscious Entities and Stuff-in-Consciousness. Or we could say there are Experiencers and Experience, with the external world being experience...and that the "external world" is a group confirmation of commonality between First Person PoVs...which we call the "3rd Person" or "Objective" view.
But, for example, if there is no inherent meaning to the 3rd Person experience then we shouldn't expect to get thoughts just through qualia of the world (which includes the experience of my body and its correlations to my private experience).
Nor is there Reason to be found in the external 3rd Person, even if logical correctness depends on the feeling that an argument or proof is logical.
As such it seems to me arguments that the Classical & Scholastic Philosophers would argue for the soul's immortality still work even if the "physical" is just made "out of" experience?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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- Bertrand Russell
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