(2021-02-19, 05:21 PM)Silence Wrote: He's the only honest one from a sample size of one? C'mon man.
Source? I'm certainly in the Kam camp, but I don't have any evidence that the other camp (i.e., those unafraid of facing their mortality) is some super small population. Quite the contrary in my experience.
Maybe expand on what you mean by separate exactly. Otherwise, its hard to evaluate whether your comparison (QM to classical) is apt.
Heh, Kam being honest is at least one more than the [many] skeptics who seem incapable of that virtue, given all their deceptions that I've recently put up threads about. I suspect they fear damnation, or are wretchedly bitter others can find comfort in the idea of an afterlife so need to ruin their peace/acceptance.
Probably a topic that deserves its own thread.
Personally I am not overly worried about Survival, if it doesn't happen then there's literally Nothing to do about it. But I do think it is the case, and not sure how to feel about that as I don't expect it's much like the NDE or classical idea of Heaven.
It's possibly better we don't know for sure, though perhaps the varied forces of cruelty would be less inclined to Evil if they thought they might have to pay a price.
To address some points made in the OP:
- Physicalism is a technically a philosophy albeit a very poor one, and as such has had no successes in science. A good many scientists such as Newton were [and are] theists, including the physicist Jeremy England - an Orthodox Jew - who is working on an explanation for how life results naturally from physics. Many also, at the least, weren't & aren't Physicalists. Historically it can and has been argued that without the idea that God had put down Laws in the Book of Nature we wouldn't have had the scientific advancements we've gotten.
- Reductionism as a strategy can be said to have a good deal of success, but it has led directly to quantum mechanics which has opened the door to potential ways to reconcile the atomic "physical" world with a wider reality wherein Survival takes place.
- Given the increasing acceptance that our understanding of Space and Time are incomplete, and that there's no good explanation - even in Idealism or Dualism - of how one gets to 1st Person PoVs at our level, seems like it's a reasonable assumption that our personalities continue given the evidence.
- Since Physical Laws don't make things happen I don't think that's a barrier at all to Survival.
Of course there's always going to be doubts for most of us, and even on the other side people probably argue whether it's a Simulation, whether there's a Second Death, who's *really* got the right religion, etc...
"Your time has come - So tell us truthfully before you go, what sort of paradise do you expect to discover when you have passed through the veil?"
"In Paradise, the words worship and argument mean the same thing - The Almighty is not a tyrant. In the House of God all voices are free to speak as they choose, and that is the form of their devotion."
-Salman Rushdie, The Enchantress of Florence
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'
- Bertrand Russell
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- Bertrand Russell