(2019-12-17, 07:18 PM)Raf999 Wrote: I'm glad this has been moved here.What exactly compelled you to do a 180 on NDEs in such a short amount of time?
As an ex-believer, I find that NDEs are by now almost debunked. No study, no matter how deep or accurate, ever provided a true "hit". Nobody ever saw hidden targets of any kind under controlled conditions.
Now of course there is a score of NDEs that have been labeled as veridical, but none has been done under controlled conditions. Until then, no matter how much effort researchers put in their work, I won't trust it. Researchers are always biased, either skeptical or proponent, and they will just try to make their views come true. This happened a lot, with Maria's shoe (unreliable reports, Maria was untraceble), with Cherylee Black "telekinetic" powers never shown to public or tested by skeptical people, with the denture's man (unreliable account, sometimes the NDE is placed after CPR sometimes before) and many others.
This "CPR shows blood flow and EEG" is the nail in the coffin for NDEs in my mind, along with multiple failed experiments like the rest of parapsychology). Nearly all people that gets to the hospital and has a NDE received some form of CPR during transportation, and if the EEG is firing who knows what the brainstem is up to at that point.
They are probably drug dream, false memories, confirmation bias and wishful thinking combined in a single idea. Now that the words of Van Lommel and many others have been proven wrong, proponents cling to the transformative aspect or the spiritual common experience, but that isn't science. It looks a lot like faith to me.
Consciousness during CPR
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