Allow me to observe that, yet again, you don't seem to be reading my posts carefully or even completely.
No, I've read your posts carefully every time.
The strength of Reynolds' alleged anomalous veridical hearing of "Hotel California" as it's presented nowadays depends on her having been at 27 degrees C when it was heard, as The Self Does not Die makes clear. But if, as Sabom clearly maintains, the song did not play until after Reynolds' resuscitation when she was no longer at 27 degrees C but much warmer (again, per Sabom), then the argument for the view that that observation was anomalous is weakened.
Pam herself said that she heard the song when she was being defibrillated. Can you not understand that it's not particularly important about the song. Why do you keep using that as a benchmark ? The main anomalous event in the second part of her observations was the extraordinary fact that she was somehow consciously aware of being defibrillated twice when she was effectively dead. She was defibrillated at a temperature of 27 degrees C.
Again, you don't seem to be making serious efforts to comprehend what I write. I have no desire right now to again correct your misinterpretations or plain lack of knowledge of what I've written. To repeat, please do not reply to my posts unless you've read them fully and carefully.
Why do I have to start going back over this case in detail, just because you come on here with a request for yet another in depth analysis. Your position is illogical anyway. You've already purported to accept that something anomalous occurred...and then you moved on to her second set of observations with doubt in your mind ? Why ?
Secondly, to doubt the opinion of highly experienced anaesthesiologists who have told you factually, that burst suppression is the gold standard and then take issue with me (a layperson) and request that "I" go and find you cast iron 'proof' that burst suppression removes any possibility of consciousness, is frankly absurd.
Please go and ask the experts yourself ? Until you do, lets leave it there.
(This post was last modified: 2019-07-24, 05:35 AM by Laird.)
No, I've read your posts carefully every time.
The strength of Reynolds' alleged anomalous veridical hearing of "Hotel California" as it's presented nowadays depends on her having been at 27 degrees C when it was heard, as The Self Does not Die makes clear. But if, as Sabom clearly maintains, the song did not play until after Reynolds' resuscitation when she was no longer at 27 degrees C but much warmer (again, per Sabom), then the argument for the view that that observation was anomalous is weakened.
Pam herself said that she heard the song when she was being defibrillated. Can you not understand that it's not particularly important about the song. Why do you keep using that as a benchmark ? The main anomalous event in the second part of her observations was the extraordinary fact that she was somehow consciously aware of being defibrillated twice when she was effectively dead. She was defibrillated at a temperature of 27 degrees C.
Again, you don't seem to be making serious efforts to comprehend what I write. I have no desire right now to again correct your misinterpretations or plain lack of knowledge of what I've written. To repeat, please do not reply to my posts unless you've read them fully and carefully.
Why do I have to start going back over this case in detail, just because you come on here with a request for yet another in depth analysis. Your position is illogical anyway. You've already purported to accept that something anomalous occurred...and then you moved on to her second set of observations with doubt in your mind ? Why ?
Secondly, to doubt the opinion of highly experienced anaesthesiologists who have told you factually, that burst suppression is the gold standard and then take issue with me (a layperson) and request that "I" go and find you cast iron 'proof' that burst suppression removes any possibility of consciousness, is frankly absurd.
Please go and ask the experts yourself ? Until you do, lets leave it there.
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