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What Life is Like When you Are not Alive


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Reading “Proof of Spiritual Phenomena”


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Where did this ‘Wrong’ idea of quantum theory implying consciousness come from?


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Developing a Systematic Theology “From Scratch”


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Blanke et. al. (2002) Stimulating illusory own-body perceptions


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Max_B, 2023-02-11, 10:57 AM

As this paper has come up on another blog, I'm going to try explaining my ideas about the veridical Out Of Body Experience (OBE) again here...

1). Blanke et. al. (2002) Stimulating illusory own-body perceptions
https://doi.org/10.1038/419269a

Quote:Initial stimulations (n43; 2.0–3.0 mA)
induced vestibular responses, in which the
patient reported that she was “sinking into
the bed” or “falling from a height”.

Can you imagine trying to unify your own visual experience with a third parties visual experience with who is standing above you whilst you lie on your back on a bed? (From the third parties visual perspective: what happens to the size of the patient when you go from a bent head position to an unbent head position?)

Quote:Increasing the current amplitude
(3.5 mA) led to an OBE (“I see myself lying
in bed, from above, but I only see my legs
and lower trunk”). Two further stimulations
induced the same sensation, which included an
instantaneous feeling of “lightness” and
“floating” about two metres above the bed,
close to the ceiling

Can you imagine trying to unify your own visual experience with multiple third parties visual experience who are standing above and around you, you whilst you lie on your back on a bed. (From the third parties visual perspective: See 2. below)

Quote:When asked to look at her outstretched
arms during the electrical stimulation
(n42; 4.5, 5.0 mA), the patient felt as
though her left arm was shortened; the
right arm was unaffected.

Can you imagine trying to unify your own visual experience with a third parties visual experience who is standing above, and to your right hand side, whilst you whilst you lie on your back on a bed? (From the third parties visual perspective, which of the patients arms would appear smaller in size?)

Quote:When her eyes were shut,
she felt that her upper body was moving
towards her legs, which were stable (n42;
4.0, 5.0 mA).

Can you imagine trying to unify your - eyes shut - proprioceptive experience of where your legs should be in relation to your head, with a third parties visual experience who is standing above you, whilst you lie on your back on a bed? (From the third parties visual perspective: They can see the patients legs?)

2). Just a simplistic every day example of something similar in action, so you can more easily understand what I'm getting at.

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What is it like to be Wigner's friend? By Dr. Caslav Brukner


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Is all this stuff real? or not? The skeptic vs believer within ourselves


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