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Ghosts or time travel? - "the Ghosts of Petit Trianon"


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Ninshub, 2018-01-02, 08:24 PM

I just came upon this strange case.

From Wiki:

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The Moberly–Jourdain incident (also the Ghosts of Petit Trianon or Versailles, French: les fantômes du Trianon / les fantômes de Versailles) is a claim of time travel and hauntings made by Charlotte Anne Moberly (1846–1937) and Eleanor Jourdain (1863–1924).

In 1911, Moberly and Jourdain published a book entitled An Adventure under the names of "Elizabeth Morison" and "Frances Lamont". Their book describes a visit they made to the Petit Trianon, a small château in the grounds of the Palace of Versailles where they claimed to have seen the gardens as they had been in the late eighteenth century as well as ghosts, including Marie Antoinette and others. Their story caused a sensation and was subject to much ridicule.

Claims

According to Moberly and Jourdain, the two women decided to visit the Palace of Versailles as part of several trips. On 10 August 1901, they travelled by train to Versailles. They did not think much of the palace after touring it,[5] so they decided to walk through the gardens to the Petit Trianon.[9] On the way, they reached the Grand Trianon and found it was closed to the public.[5]

They travelled with a Baedeker guidebook, but the two women soon became lost after missing the turn for the main avenue, Allée des Deux Trianons. They passed this road, and entered a lane, where unknown to them they passed their destination.[9] Moberly noticed a woman shaking a white cloth out of a window[10] and Jourdain noticed an old deserted farmhouse, outside of which was an old plough.[10]

At this point they claimed that a feeling of oppression and dreariness came over them.[11] They then saw some men who looked like palace gardeners, who told them to go straight on. Moberly later described the men as "very dignified officials, dressed in long greyish green coats with small three-cornered hats."[12] Jourdain noticed a cottage with a woman and a girl in the doorway. The woman was holding out a jug to the girl.[10] Jourdain described it as a "tableau vivant", a living picture, much like Madame Tussauds waxworks. Moberly did not observe the cottage, but felt the atmosphere change. She wrote: "Everything suddenly looked unnatural, therefore unpleasant; even the trees seemed to become flat and lifeless, like wood worked in tapestry. There were no effects of light and shade, and no wind stirred the trees."[13]
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Loch Ness monster in Albania??


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Pollux, 2018-01-02, 04:18 AM

Loch Ness monster in Albania??

Quote:Footage captured the moment what appears to be a huge sea creature in the Great Prespa Lake – a massive body of water shared by Albania, Greece and Macedonia.

The film was taken just a week ago, so if it isn't video tampering I don't think here is someone diving there with some monster-props in freezing winter water.  One can see that it makes disturbance in the water as it moves, and ultimately submerge, and it also tilts its "head" as you can see in the enlarged slo-mo.





This was filmed by a second person, standing to the left of the point that the first filmer ran to, on the beach.



So; if we don't assume it is video tampering, and if we don't assume it is a Loch Ness either, what could it be?

If we hypothesize it is a big submerged log with a branch on it, that sticks out of the water, there is a few extraordinary things that happens there. First; it is an very oddly shaped branch with this hump/knob/lump at the end of it. And it must be some really large log, having a branch that thick. But it might be the roots from a big submerged tree. That would fit better with the lump at its end. Secondly; it must have been some real coincidence that this log, and branch/root, "decided" to be saturated enough, at that particular moment, and make a rather quick "dive". It's not impossible, but is it probable? But thirdly; it does seem to tilt its "head" (the lump) and also turn "its neck" (the branch). It could be that the log under water rotated a bit sideways under the water, and that it at the end, before the lump goes down it tilted a bit on its backward-forward axis. But; I don't know.

Could it be some kind of mini-submarine? This is a lake ( a large one though), and it is shared with no more than 3 different countries (Albania, Greece, and Macedonia). Could it be that any of these countries have some sort of underwater naval activity there, in this lake? But if it is some sort of mini-sub it has a very crooked periscope I say. The lake is quite deep though - 55m (178ft).

Could it be part of something manmade, that broke away from its mooring, and "decided" to sink just there and then, and that we saw the last part, and highest point of it, sink? If it was a sailboat, it it's not likely that what we see is the mast. Could it be the exhaust pipe/chimney? It must have been some odd chimney though. Anyway, it's not that likely that a boat, with a chimney like that, sank so close to the beach.

Or could it be some part of a floating dock that broke away from its mooring. Some of those are often fixated to the bottom with large pipes that you hammer down. Could it be that this floating dock flipped over, and this was one of the poles, that had been down in the silt, now had a large chunk of mud on its end? It still would have been crooked though.


BBC reported on a photo taken on the Prespa Lake in 2012.
This looks like the tail end of a large fish though. But it must be a pretty large one.

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