2021-11-07, 07:06 PM
(2021-11-07, 05:02 PM)David001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't want to ridicule it, but I do want to make it clear that it doesn't make sense. You can't explain consciousness as an illusion because if we take (say) the definition of 'illusion' at Wiki, we find:
"An illusion is a distortion of the senses, which can reveal how the human brain normally organizes and interprets sensory stimulation."
My only quibble with that, is that I am sure animals can encounter illusion too.
This is semantic nitpicking, as you know, words can have slightly different meanings dependent on the context.
Here are some definitions from Merriam-Webster, i bolded the ones that IMO apply best to how i use the word illusion.
Quote:illusion noun
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il·lu·sion | \ i-ˈlü-zhən \
plural illusions
Essential Meaning of illusion
1: something that looks or seems different from what it is : something that is false or not real but that seems to be true or real
The video game is designed to give the illusion that you are in control of an airplane.
They used paint to create the illusion of metal.
She says that all progress is just an illusion.
2: an incorrect idea : an idea that is based on something that is not true
She had/harbored no illusions about how much work the project would require. [=she knew the project would require a lot of work]
He was under the illusion [=he mistakenly believed] that he was a good player.
Full Definition of illusion
1a(1): a misleading image presented to the vision : OPTICAL ILLUSION
(2): something that deceives or misleads intellectually
b(1): perception of something objectively existing in such a way as to cause misinterpretation of its actual nature
(2): HALLUCINATION sense 1
(3): a pattern capable of reversible perspective
2a(1): the state or fact of being intellectually deceived or misled : MISAPPREHENSION
(2): an instance of such deception
bobsolete : the action of deceiving
3: a fine plain transparent bobbinet or tulle usually made of silk and used for veils, trimmings, and dresses
Quote:Thus it cannot apply to something that isn't conscious.
It also does not need to apply to something that is not conscious, because i did never state that consciousness does not exist, nor that we are not conscious.
I only tried to explain that the self is part of the experience, it is not separate from it.
We are definitely conscious, but it might not work how we intuitively think it does.
Quote:Conceivably you want to use a new definition of consciousness that fits your needs, or maybe you want to restate what exactly you are saying.
David
No i need people to try to understand what i am saying. i can probably make myself a lot clearer, i will try.
But first i need to get past the bit where everybody feels the need to ask their version of the question "if consciousness is an illusion, then who is experiencing the illusion".