2017-09-04, 06:43 PM
I just love how this thread was made to make skeptics look more 'rational' by saying that they will "simply accept it". Bullshit, I have seen enough people die to know that the vast majority react with nothing but fear.
(2017-09-04, 05:32 PM)Steve001 Wrote: [ -> ]Just think back to distant prehistoric times. Whole human species lived then became extinct: The things they knew where lost. So be it too for our species if we don't leave this planet before our Sun becomes a red giant. When it does it will roast our life bearing planet to a toasty cinder destroying all life.I'm not sure what you're trying to say here; if you're claiming that ancient Man simply accepted his fate, that's rather presumptuous of you. If you're implying that's what people should do; if it's that easy for you, then frankly, I don't think you've thought through all the implications.
No existential dread, just acceptance.
(2017-09-04, 05:06 PM)iPsoFacTo Wrote: [ -> ]Mom: "Go on....get up already an' go out and look for a job."
(2017-09-04, 06:18 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Unfortunately we don't know what happens after the body is irreversibly dead. Suggesting somehow you can know, and posing a hypothetical question based on that knowing makes little sense to me, because it's simply not possible to know.
But I'm open minded, and that for me is the only logical position to take. Life appears to go on after people die, many of us will have experienced the loss of a loved one, or good friend, gone through the grieving process and found that life just continues onwards. I don't know what that means, but life doesn't appear to end when people die.
Our 3+1 dimensional system (spacetime), might be a very useful way to understand information from the point of view of adding it up (past information which sums to the present through coherence), but it might be - for example - that the underlying information is actually organized as 2+2 dimensions and we're actually understanding the interactions of two x 2D informational surfaces. My concept of time might be an irrelevance, and things might not connect up in three dimensions properly after all.
It just doesn't make sense to ask the question, and expect to get any sort of meaningful answer. We are were we are, and neither you or I seem able to know what happens after death - whilst we're alive.
(2017-09-04, 06:57 PM)Will Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure what you're trying to say here; if you're claiming that ancient Man simply accepted his fate, that's rather presumptuous of you. If you're implying that's what people should do; if it's that easy for you, then frankly, I don't think you've thought through all the implications.
(2017-09-04, 09:00 PM)Leuders Wrote: [ -> ]My own take on this is that if people realise death is the end and embrace it then life will be seen as more precious to them, for example they will realise that it only comes once to each person therefore they will appreciate it more, it is more special. You will try and achieve more in your life and appreciate the one life that you have.
A lot of crimes have been linked to peoples belief in an afterlife. Look at those suicidal bombers and terrorists, they do not appreciate life because they think they live forever.
(2017-09-04, 09:00 PM)Leuders Wrote: [ -> ]My own take on this is that if people realise death is the end and embrace it then life will be seen as more precious to them, for example they will realise that it only comes once to each person therefore they will appreciate it more, it is more special. You will try and achieve more in your life and appreciate the one life that you have.
A lot of crimes have been linked to peoples belief in an afterlife. Look at those suicidal bombers and terrorists, they do not appreciate life because they think they live forever.
(2017-09-04, 08:00 PM)Max_B Wrote: [ -> ]Err... no we don't... by default you can't be irreversibly dead if you are revived....
Stephen Hawking Wrote:I regard the brain as a computer which will stop working when its components fail.There is no heaven or afterlife for broken down computers; that is a fairy story for people afraid of the dark.