(2021-02-05, 05:18 AM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: [ -> ]Andrew Gallimore and Rick Strassman think DMT opens a gate to a different level/kind of reality.
I can't imagine how their work can somehow bring a materialist interpretation to NDEs. No matter what there are going to be chemical shifts in the brain during an NDE, that there's an influx of DMT is just part of that.
I'm aware of that, but plenty just think it's an ordinary chemical that's debunked NDEs as just hallucinations. The article notably doesn't address the similarities or differences, or Veridical NDEs.
My interpretation is that the author thinks it's possible the brain could have more DMT than rats, which pushes the goal post in a way since the experiments showed that there wasn't enough. I'm still anxious about this.
Additionally, Borjigin thinks that the brain could be 'more sensitive' to DMT in the near-death state.
(2021-02-05, 11:11 AM)OmniVersalNexus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm aware of that, but plenty just think it's an ordinary chemical that's debunked NDEs as just hallucinations. The article notably doesn't address the similarities or differences, or Veridical NDEs.
My interpretation is that the author thinks it's possible the brain could have more DMT than rats, which pushes the goal post in a way since the experiments showed that there wasn't enough. I'm still anxious about this.
Additionally, Borjigin thinks that the brain could be 'more sensitive' to DMT in the near-death state.
Well there's nothing to do but wait. Maybe it does mean after death there's only Oblivion, though I can't see how.
(2021-02-05, 11:11 AM)OmniVersalNexus Wrote: [ -> ]I'm aware of that, but plenty just think it's an ordinary chemical that's debunked NDEs as just hallucinations. The article notably doesn't address the similarities or differences, or Veridical NDEs.
My interpretation is that the author thinks it's possible the brain could have more DMT than rats, which pushes the goal post in a way since the experiments showed that there wasn't enough. I'm still anxious about this.
Additionally, Borjigin thinks that the brain could be 'more sensitive' to DMT in the near-death state.
You sure look like you're actively searching for doubt and fear regardless of how flimsy the skeptic arguments are. The evidence against the DMT theory is conclusive and should lead to its summary dismissal. Just to start, there are (1) veridical NDEs, (2) NDEs experienced while the brain is disfunctional, some also veridical, and (3) great differences in the features of the experiences. (1) and (2) directly contradict the DMT theory, and (3) just by itself makes it very unlikely.
(2021-02-05, 06:59 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: [ -> ]You sure look like you're actively searching for doubt and fear regardless of how flimsy the skeptic arguments are. The evidence against the DMT theory is conclusive and should lead to its summary dismissal. Just to start, there are (1) veridical NDEs, (2) NDEs experienced while the brain is disfunctional, some also veridical, and (3) great differences in the features of the experiences. (1) and (2) directly contradict the DMT theory, and (3) just by itself makes it very unlikely.
And if you seriously doubt (1) and (2) above, you are ignoring the large body of NDEers' well investigated cases as documented for instance in The Self Does Not Die by researchers Rivas, Dirven and Smit. That looks to be edging into the materialist skeptic position on NDEs. And by extension it looks like you are edging into the materialist skeptic position on psi, ESP, psychical phenomena and the paranormal in general - that the human testimony no matter how evidential and extensive is all worthless anecdotal evidence.
Actually, I now own a copy of The Self Does Not Die. Just finished reading through the Fenwick's investigation into the Major Scull case.
I feel that eliminating the DMT explanation will be beneficial since it's the one that gets touted around the most besides hypoxia/anoxia, wrongly being said to be 'proven'.
If I recall correctly it was “never interrupt your enemy when he is making mistakes”. Lol
(2021-02-05, 06:59 PM)nbtruthman Wrote: [ -> ]You sure look like you're actively searching for doubt and fear regardless of how flimsy the skeptic arguments are. The evidence against the DMT theory is conclusive and should lead to its summary dismissal. Just to start, there are (1) veridical NDEs, (2) NDEs experienced while the brain is disfunctional, some also veridical, and (3) great differences in the features of the experiences. (1) and (2) directly contradict the DMT theory, and (3) just by itself makes it very unlikely.
FWIW I suspect Omni is looking for resolution or certainty. I wouldn’t say that’s impossible but it’s unlikely. They may be lucky though, some do find it. The vast majority either head for “belief” or evidence or some mixture of the two I think.
I'd still want to see a study that has NDErs take DMT and compare their experiences.