It's all largely irrelevant anyway. The only crucial work in this field is in brains that aren't working, as we all (mostly) know. For anyone that wants to know about DMT and the brain, then I would personally recommend this.
http://www.organiclab.narod.ru/books/DMT...lecule.pdf
(2018-09-18, 09:30 AM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]It's all largely irrelevant anyway. The only crucial work in this field is in brains that aren't working, as we all (mostly) know.
Just to clarify, do you mean you think the only evidence that's really relevant relates to veridical experiences of events that happened while the brain was not working?
(2018-09-18, 10:28 AM)Chris Wrote: [ -> ]Just to clarify, do you mean you think the only evidence that's really relevant relates to veridical experiences of events that happened while the brain was not working?
Yes, of course. That is the really important question...
is consciousness produced by the brain or is it a separate entity ?
These "sideshows" (studies such as the one referenced above) are merely the (quite understandable) push back from mainstream science to the enormous threat posed by the phenomenon of NDE's. The idea that there could be a separate consciousness is anathema to these institutions. You cannot even entertain such a wild notion, hence they have to keep looking for something brain based.
You know this, Chris.
(2018-09-18, 11:35 AM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]You know this, Chris.
I wouldn't have asked if I'd known it.
(2018-09-18, 11:53 AM)Chris Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't have asked if I'd known it.
Do you mean to tell me a guy of your ability/intellect hasn't got the drift of what the big question is ? My oldest friend is a professor of psychology in the UK. If he were to give any credence whatsoever to the fact (and it is a fact) that people's minds can operate without their brains, he would lose everything.
(2018-09-18, 12:58 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]Do you mean to tell me a guy of your ability/intellect hasn't got the drift of what the big question is ? My oldest friend is a professor of psychology in the UK. If he were to give any credence whatsoever to the fact (and it is a fact) that people's minds can operate without their brains, he would lose everything.
I mean that it wasn't clear to me what you meant by "work ... in brains that aren't working". That was why I asked you to confirm whether you meant what I thought you meant.
(2018-09-18, 01:42 PM)Chris Wrote: [ -> ]I mean that it wasn't clear to me what you meant by "work ... in brains that aren't working". That was why I asked you to confirm whether you meant what I thought you meant.
No, your initial question made if quite clear that you knew what I meant by a brain not working
Chris asked > Just to clarify, do you mean you think the only evidence that's really relevant relates to veridical experiences of events that happened while the brain was not working?
Your question was asking me if the only
relevant evidence (in your words) …. crucial work (in my words) was relating to veridical reports that happened when the brain wasn't working.
Answer, yes.
It obviously was clear to you what my first statement meant because your initial question was adequate. You do have a tendency, Chris, to dig holes for yourself (I'm not perfect either) for no reason. There's no real issue here so why not move on ?
(2018-09-18, 01:59 PM)tim Wrote: [ -> ]No, your initial question made if quite clear that you knew what I meant by a brain not working
Chris asked > Just to clarify, do you mean you think the only evidence that's really relevant relates to veridical experiences of events that happened while the brain was not working?
Your question was asking me if the only relevant evidence (in your words) …. crucial work (in my words) was relating to veridical reports that happened when the brain wasn't working.
Answer, yes.
It obviously was clear to you what my first statement meant because your initial question was adequate. You do have a tendency, Chris, to dig holes for yourself (I'm not perfect either) for no reason. There's no real issue here so why not move on ?
As I said, I asked you to confirm
whether you meant what I thought you meant. The answer was yes.
There's certainly no issue here as far as I'm concerned, and no need for further discussion.
On the same topic (at first I thought it was the same article):
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/...es-and-dmt
Near-Death Experiences and DMT
A neurological explanation of NDEs remains elusive.
Quote:The results were reported as showing a significant overlap between the two types of experience. As the researchers concluded, "Results revealed significant increases in phenomenological features associated with the NDE, following DMT administration compared to placebo." This appears to be true, but on closer inspection, the findings of the paper still fall far short of establishing any strong connection between DMT and NDEs.