The UFO/UAP coverup continues

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An excellent new article in The Hill goes into some detail on the very current status of the UAP/UFO mystery. This is the occurence of a wave of UAP/UFO sightings that appear to slightly mimic swarms of drones but when looked at in detail just don't fit the theory. (https://thehill.com/opinion/technology/4...d-answers/).

This evolvement of the phenomenon stubbornly continues and even amplifies despite recent official blanket dismissals of the phenomenon as being in any way unexplained apparently extraterrestrial vehicles, and the continuing official failure to explain away the sightings as some sort of drone swarms from a foreign power or combinations of natural or normal misinterpretations and illusions, etc. Officially the line continues to be "nothing important or unusual here, folks. Don't be concerned". So much for the official position. 

First, many of the apparently drone-swarm like phenomena are reported to have flashing lights, often red and green.
The article writer comments that this would obviously not be the case if they were some sort of foreign power's intelligence gathering operation.

The following is a scattering of key quotes from the article:

Some reports seem to be of some sort of "mother ship".

Quote:Perhaps most perplexingly, FAA emails note that “there are several reports that indicate the drones are operating in coordination with a ‘Big Drone’ that may be stationary in the area.”
This larger object, according to the emails, “also described as a ‘Mother Ship,’ is said to hover while all the others fly around in close proximity.”

In one bizarre incident, a Nebraska deputy sheriff reported “observing 30 to 50 [objects] flying independently of each other with a larger ‘mothership’ hovering for hours.”

In another type of observation it seems as if the objects can controllably fly in very adverse weather that would prevent normal drone operations:

Quote:Some of these objects also reportedly flew in “adverse weather conditions,” including “hovering” in winds of “30 mph with 40-plus mph gusts.” A briefing document prepared for the FAA administrator noted that sheriffs from several Colorado counties reported that the objects flew for “several hours at a time in less than optimum flying conditions (high winds and storm-like conditions).

By flying against or hovering in strong winds for long durations and emitting no discernable sound, the objects exhibited unique capabilities inconsistent with conventional drone technology.

In consideration of these factors and more an FAA spokesman even declined to confirm that the objects are drones.

And it turns out that apparently identical observations were made in the same areas 55 years ago in 1965, long before drone technology was developed:

Quote:In an astounding historical parallel, seemingly identical incidents had occurred in the same location 55 years earlier.

Over the course of three nights in 1965, more than 140 Air Force personnel stationed at nuclear missile silos in the same areas of rural Colorado, Wyoming and Nebraska reported nearly 150 mysterious craft demonstrating the enigmatic characteristics observed during the 2019-2020 incidents.

According to Air Force documents, the 1965 observations involved unknown objects with “red and green flashing lights” that illuminated “at one to two second intervals.”

In another striking parallel between the 1965 and 2019-2020 incidents, there was “no sound reported in association with any of the objects.” Moreover, like the more recent encounters, “all reported [1965] observations occurred during darkness or near darkness.”

In 1965, the objects would also “hover” or engage in “up and down movement,” exactly as described by witnesses in 2019 and 2020.

In one notable 1965 incident, an “object moved across the sky at high speed [and] then stopped and remained in position for a considerable length of time.”"
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...no drones or other conventional aircraft capable of such flight characteristics existed 60 years ago, adding still more complexity to the mystery."
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Quote:the unknown objects displayed flashing lights, predominantly white, red and green.

Red, white, and green. Huh. Now we just need one of them to leave behind a bowl of pasta and we can call this case closed.

More seriously, this is a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing.
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(2024-04-26, 06:30 PM)Laird Wrote: Red, white, and green. Huh. Now we just need one of them to leave behind a bowl of pasta and we can call this case closed.

More seriously, this is a very interesting article. Thanks for sharing.

Yeah totally obvious that the interstellar aliens decided to decorate their spacecraft with red, white and green lights (which of course have no Engineering reasons whatsoever) 🙄

It's easier to fool people than to  convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain
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(2024-04-27, 09:34 AM)sbu Wrote: Yeah totally obvious that the interstellar aliens decided to decorate their spacecraft with red, white and green lights (which of course have no Engineering reasons whatsoever) 🙄

It's easier to fool people than to  convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

LOL  Nice!
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(2024-04-27, 09:34 AM)sbu Wrote: Yeah totally obvious that the interstellar aliens decided to decorate their spacecraft with red, white and green lights (which of course have no Engineering reasons whatsoever) 🙄

It's easier to fool people than to  convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

I'll leave aside the 'interstellar aliens' portion, it's only one possibility among many.

As for red, white and green lights - the idea that they are only decorative and have no functional purpose implies that we know what the observed 'something' was and that we also know what purpose it would have.

In general I'm not much excited by this topic but have no intention to simply discard everything. I leave the topic open for these with more enthusiasm than myself to investigate.
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(2024-04-27, 09:34 AM)sbu Wrote: Yeah totally obvious that the interstellar aliens decided to decorate their spacecraft with red, white and green lights (which of course have no Engineering reasons whatsoever) 🙄

Mine was a playful joke; yours is a serious albeit sarcastic point. Typoz makes a good point in response: without knowing the purpose of the craft themselves, we don't know what the purpose of the lights is.

More broadly, your implicit claim is that these craft are not piloted by interstellar aliens, and, somewhat more implicitly, that these craft have a prosaic explanation. OK then, please be explicit: what is that explanation?

(2024-04-27, 09:34 AM)sbu Wrote: It's easier to fool people than to  convince them that they have been fooled.

Mark Twain

In what way is this article fooling us? Be specific.
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(2024-04-27, 12:27 PM)Laird Wrote: Mine was a playful joke; yours is a serious albeit sarcastic point. Typoz makes a good point in response: without knowing the purpose of the craft themselves, we don't know what the purpose of the lights is.

More broadly, your implicit claim is that these craft are not piloted by interstellar aliens, and, somewhat more implicitly, that these craft have a prosaic explanation. OK then, please be explicit: what is that explanation?


In what way is this article fooling us? Be specific.

This claim might simply involve a balloon with a flashlight, possibly part of a high school experiment. It reminds me of the balloons that were shot down by F-22s last year. Alternatively, it could be a kite caught by the wind. Balloons are capable of reaching altitudes significantly higher than even the most advanced jets, especially those available 50 years ago, which makes them difficult to visually inspect.

While I am not particularly interested in these objects, as I am confident they are of earthly origin, I don’t mind if others speculate that they might be extraterrestrial. What concerns me is the dangerous undercurrent in some online communities that believe the American government is hiding UFO remains, akin to flat earthers who think the government is concealing secret lands. I believe these types of conspiracy theories are a perilous distraction that can foster radicalism among vulnerable individuals—this is something society can do without.
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(2024-04-27, 02:17 PM)sbu Wrote: This claim might simply involve a balloon with a flashlight, possibly part of a high school experiment. It reminds me of the balloons that were shot down by F-22s last year. Alternatively, it could be a kite caught by the wind.

No offence, but are you at all embarrassed to resort to supposed explanations that go beyond grasping at straws to sheer vacuity?
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(2024-04-27, 03:50 PM)Laird Wrote: No offence, but are you at all embarrassed to resort to supposed explanations that go beyond grasping at straws to sheer vacuity?

Invoking the principle of Occam’s razor is not embarrasing. We know there are balloons flying across the american skies from time to time. We don’t know about any alien lifeforms at all.
Occam's razor applies when the explanation is sufficient. The ones you proposed manifestly are not. Did you even read the article?
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