The brain is not dead when the cortex is dead.

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(2017-08-29, 05:14 PM)Typoz Wrote: That too is pointless, since the theory even if viable, doesn't correspond with the evidence it would seek to explain. That it additionally isn't viable makes the whole enterprise an ever bigger folly.

But we've been through all this before.

Yeah, but I bet some people will happen along who haven't seen it before, and will be glad to see it laid out in front of them. And heck,, it just may keep them from spinning wheels, and wasting time chasing a phantom down an unlit dead-end street. 

That's what I like to think anyway, cause it keeps me positive...  Smile
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(2017-08-29, 05:43 PM)jkmac Wrote: Yeah, but I bet some people will happen along who haven't seen it before, and will be glad to see it laid out in front of them. And heck,, it just may keep them from spinning wheels, and wasting time chasing a phantom down an unlit dead-end street. 

That's what I like to think anyway, cause it keeps me positive...  Smile

Actually, I think that as long as people keep posting stuff which doesn't hold up to scrutiny, it is definitely worthwhile for someone to post and point it out. So yes, I like the things you've been posting (the videos too) and think you are making a valuable contribution.
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(2017-08-29, 02:08 PM)im Wrote: It may well be that some neurons deep in the brain still have electrical potential across them after a few minutes, I don't know.

Yes, continued firing for some minutes is what this paper shows is possible.


Quote:What is known is that the detectible activity that is presumed to be responsible for the creation of the mind disappears after approximately 20 seconds along with the reflexes of the central nervous system.

Yep, I totally agree that this is the general assumption.

Although you don't care for the study, Borjigin extends this measurable electromagnetic activity in rat cortex by around another 10 seconds by using invasive EEG (iEEG), as opposed to scalp EEG. The sensitivity of her study shows the measured activity in the cortex to be unexpectedly coherent in both the specific brain areas, and the specific frequencies that we would usually expect to measure in wakeful apes and humans undertaking visual tasks.

It may be possible to extend these times even further by CPR during Cardiac Arrest. This would fit with some of the results from the the AWARE paper (Parnia et. al. 2014):

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The main purpose of AWARE was to investigate awareness during resuscitation, because there were many reports from patients that suggested they had explicit conscious recall of events from around the period of the resuscitation. As Parnia et. al. 2014 says...

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Neither one of us disputes that some of these patients out of body experiences (OBE's), or at least some parts of them are objectively truthful. Neither one of us disputes that some of these experiences also contain information that the patient should not have been aware of, even if they had been fully conscious at the time, with their eyes open, and that at least some of this information was not some type of memory implanted after the patient awakened.

The only issue that we disagree upon is how these OBE's come about. You think something leaves the body. Whereas my research reverses that idea, and instead suggests something can sometimes enter the body, and that the general theory which you mentioned is "...presumed to be responsible for the creation of the mind..." will require radical changes, and that these changes will lead to a massive revolution in how we understand our reality and existence.

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