Talking to The Secret Rulers of the World – Transcripts

Talking to The Secret Rulers of the World – Transcripts

Tommie Kelly

On the evening of May 25th 2022, Spud, Marco, Jason & I called up The Secret Chiefs using the Estes Method and had a chat. You can watch the recording HERE, but I spent a few hours today putting together a complete transcription. Some very interesting answers emerged in both sessions! Down at the bottom, I have also included just the answers we got as one piece of text to see if anything interesting emerges from looking at them separate from the questions.

Since this involved channeling, I have to admit I was skeptical...

But it seemed like it might be of interest.

I have also included just the answers we got as one piece of text to see if anything interesting emerges from looking at them separate from the questions.

I just read through those parts (just the answers) and most of it was lightweight, no particular substance to it. Perhaps that could mean the real weight was in the questions, that is the human side of things. Though if for example there was just a series of questions with yes/no answers, looking at the answers alone would not reveal anything, you do need the questions.

To be honest, even looking at both questions and answers together, i still don't feel there is much substance there.

A long time ago I would try listening to seemingly random words and phrases which appeared in my mind, attempting to find something coherent there, but for me on that occasion at least, it just seemed like meaningless noise.

I should add that at least once, in a very specially calmed and prepared meditational state, I did consider I was having a meaningful dialogue with deceased relatives. I've not been able to repeat anything even similar to that. On that occasion, what was most interesting was that the answers took me by surprise, and actually made me laugh at some serious matters which had troubled me. It had a healing effect.


What I'm saying is we have to judge for ourselves whether something is just meaningless / random, or whether it has significance and is useful in some way. Results are not guaranteed.

I just read through those parts (just the answers) and most of it was lightweight, no particular substance to it. Perhaps that could mean the real weight was in the questions, that is the human side of things. Though if for example there was just a series of questions with yes/no answers, looking at the answers alone would not reveal anything, you do need the questions.

To be honest, even looking at both questions and answers together, i still don't feel there is much substance there.

A long time ago I would try listening to seemingly random words and phrases which appeared in my mind, attempting to find something coherent there, but for me on that occasion at least, it just seemed like meaningless noise.

I should add that at least once, in a very specially calmed and prepared meditational state, I did consider I was having a meaningful dialogue with deceased relatives. I've not been able to repeat anything even similar to that. On that occasion, what was most interesting was that the answers took me by surprise, and actually made me laugh at some serious matters which had troubled me. It had a healing effect.


What I'm saying is we have to judge for ourselves whether something is just meaningless / random, or whether it has significance and is useful in some way. Results are not guaranteed.

I find your experience of possibly speaking to dead relatives easier to accept than talking to the "Secret Chiefs". The former seems more personal, the latter possibly delusional without greater evidence. There just seems to be too much convenient interpretation going on here with the "Estes Method", like the worst self-confirmations that accompany the weaker side of paranormal evidence.

Of course, as you say, each person will have to decide for themselves what they take away from these sorts of imaginal experiences. So long as people aren't trying to infringe on others I wish them well on their journey.

I find your experience of possibly speaking to dead relatives easier to accept than talking to the "Secret Chiefs". The former seems more personal, the latter possibly delusional without greater evidence. There just seems to be too much convenient interpretation going on here with the "Estes Method", like the worst self-confirmations that accompany the weaker side of paranormal evidence.

Of course, as you say, each person will have to decide for themselves what they take away from these sorts of imaginal experiences. So long as people aren't trying to infringe on others I wish them well on their journey.

Very much so. I'm not trying to elevate my own experience, it was more as an aside or to give some context to my views. In particular, trying to talk to the "Secret Chiefs" makes the assumption that there is such a thing. Even if any of the session made sense, it could still be a creation of the participants own minds. Compare for example the case of Philip the Ghost.