Spirits in the afterlife - the mundane vs. the extraordinary

I have a few Seth books purchased because of you from quite a few years ago that I haven't got to, so I'll probably give those a read sooner rather than later.

A belated reply to this, Ian.

The Seth books came into my life at a point when I was perfectly attuned to their content. I didn't have to devour them in intense reading marathons, I just found that whatever I read was more of a confirmation than a revalation. Even now, I can almost quote from those books I read almost 40 years ago. And when I listen to other channels, mediums and even philosophers and scientists, I can relate back to that material yet I wonder whether I'm actually relating to my own inner familiarity with such knowldge. I think that's why I keep coming back to this forum and watching YouTube videos about stuff I know already from many years of exposure. Perhaps I just need repeated confirmation which is why I look for consistency in the message.

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Still, I do reserve a n aversion to these "courses" which purport to teach things that, IMHO, can be learned from numerous and inexpensive sources if one is prepared to look.

I'm quite sure that is so. I guess if you have a couple of hundred bucks (or a thousand!) to spare, it saves you the road work!

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I'd be interested to learn what Suzanne offers in her courses which is over and above the freely available information she volunteers in interviews or YouTube videos. Is she holding back on the "good stuff"?  Does she leave all that out of her books?

What I've looked at mostly is her mediumship courses.

I had a quick look at her books but I didn't get the sense that they offered that type of instruction, they sometimes seemed to be about a specific story.

Of course there's books out there by other people about learning or practicing mediumship or connecting with spirits!

I don't know what the "price" is of attending an actual mediumship course.

OK - a mediumship course.

When I lived in England I often thought about signing up for the Arthur Findlay college which is supposed to be among the best. I never did though and I think that may be because I strongly doubt that anyone can learn to be a medium unless they already have the latent abilities. Perhaps my doubts are indicative of a personality that can't believe that such gifts are within my grasp. After all, I've been seriously meditating for almost a year on trying to achieve an out-of-body experience without the slightest peek at myself from my bedroom ceiling. The meditations do have other benefits, however.

There was a documentary called "Surviving Death" on Netflix which I watched recently and they interviewed some people being taught these skills. I have to say that I was far from impressed by that episode (other episodes were much more interesting).

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Yeah I don't know what to think of those possibilities either. I keep hearing from mediums though that we all have those gifts to a degree and can practice them. Since that keeps being repeated, I tend to think there must be a grain of truth in that.

Suzanne is an example at least of someone who didn't have those gifts young, but developed them, very consciously, as an adult through practice and determination. Now maybe she had past existences where she had those abilities and the potential was already there. For some of us, maybe that kind of thing, like OBEs, comes harder than to others.

Yeah I don't know what to think of those possibilities either. I keep hearing from mediums though that we all have those gifts to a degree and can practice them. Since that keeps being repeated, I tend to think there must be a grain of truth in that.

Suzanne is an example at least of someone who didn't have those gifts young, but developed them, very consciously, as an adult through practice and determination. Now maybe she had past existences where she had those abilities and the potential was already there. For some of us, maybe that kind of thing, like OBEs, comes harder than to others.

Well, since I'm always seeking confirmation, I would love to be able to pop out of my body just once. I get lots of tantalising indications that I am being helped in some way from "the other side" but nothing I can say - "that just could not have had any other explanation". Lots of synchronicity which Suzanne insists is solid evidence. Just not quite solid enough for me.

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After all, I've been seriously meditating for almost a year on trying to achieve an out-of-body experience without the slightest peek at myself from my bedroom ceiling. The meditations do have other benefits, however.

Have you had the chance to exchange with someone who successfully OBEs and get their feedback about your difficulties?

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Well, since I'm always seeking confirmation, I would love to be able to pop out of my body just once. I get lots of tantalising indications that I am being helped in some way from "the other side" but nothing I can say - "that just could not have had any other explanation". Lots of synchronicity which Suzanne insists is solid evidence. Just not quite solid enough for me.

Can I ask you when you say "not quite solid enough", do you mean for "confirmation"? And if so, what is the confirmationg exactly you're seeking? Do you mean you have doubts as to whether there is life beyond the physical and need confirmation to erase those doubts, i.e. have 100% certainty? I'm just curious!

Can I ask you when you say "not quite solid enough", do you mean for "confirmation"? And if so, what is the confirmationg exactly you're seeking? Do you mean you have doubts as to whether there is life beyond the physical and need confirmation to erase those doubts, i.e. have 100% certainty? I'm just curious!

I have doubts about everything so I don't use terms like "I believe in" because I just don't know for certain. I think we probably experience the afterlife although I also think that this life (and the afterlife) are illusory. My personal philosophy tends more towards thinking that we exist to create and are individualised fragments of a single creative consciousness. All is mind so the solidity of life on earth or the afterlife is illusory - but real at the same time. The reality is that if I jump off the nearest skyscraper I will be smashed to bits and die. The illusion is that such an event was a consciously created drama and never existed in an exterior reality. There is no exterior reality - it is all consciousness creating apparent realities. Even my perceived individuality is an illusion although it is an important illusion because that's how consciousness learns and evolves. My individuality is valid and precious in itself and to the whole, while never being other than the whole.

Again, I am only speculating. Admittedly I have read stuff that seems to confirm my ideas and I am aware that none of it is new or original (which gives me reassurance) but the world is teeming with materialists who would sneer at my ideas and challenge me to prove any of it. I can't. 

As for OBEs, I have watched numerous videos and spoken to people who claim to be able to do it but their tried and tested techniques just do not work for me. Personal experience is the only evidence I can come close to trusting and it doggedly eludes me. All I can assume is that there is a good reason that my life has been a quest for knowing that is always just beyond my grasp. Perhaps I have learned more because of this.

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I tend to speculate in the same sense as your 1st paragraph Kam...