It's such a very valuable, and challenging example...
IIRC 14 hours since the accident, mother deceased (behaviorally lifeless), intensely icy water, her child in the back, strapped upside down in a child seat out of the water.
All four rescuers hear a voice, but not a child's voice saying "help me, help me".
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Quote:Officer Jared Warner told KSL he also heard a voice.
"(It) wasn't just in our heads," Warner told KSL. "To me, it was plain as day. I remember hearing a voice that didn't sound like a child, just saying 'help me.'"
Quote:As Spanish Fork Police Officer Tyler Beddoes told the Desert News in Salt Lake City: “It wasn’t just something that was just in our heads. To me it was plain as day cause I remember hearing a voice. I think it was Dewitt who said, ‘We’re trying. We’re trying our best to get in there.’ How do you explain that? I don’t know.”
Quote:Officer Bryan Dewitt concurred: “We were down on the car and a distinct voice says, ‘Help me, help me.’ ”
Officer Jared Warner said: “We’ve gotten together and just talkin’ about it, and all four of us can swear that we heard somebody inside the car saying, ‘Help.’ “We’re not exactly sure where that voice came from.”
(2023-07-01, 06:48 PM)Max_B Wrote: Yep, I wanted to hear some more about that... maybe there are more detailed interviews out there now... if we can find some names.
Yes, you've got the names... and now we know more about the voice...
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Thanks, so he says "a female voice". Naturally you tend to think it's the woman who was still alive at that point. But he says she had "been dead for hours", that the crash had occurred 14 hours earlier, and that she was killed on impact. Of course he wasn't there to see she was killed on impact.
What he's saying definitely makes it sound like something paranormal. It would be interesting to see if there was a coroner's report that confirmed those important details!
I read through the first article very fast so I don't know if they talked about the autopsy.
But I found this:
Quote:Authorities say a Utah woman who died in March when she crashed her car into Spanish Fork River had a mixture of drugs in her system. (...)
A medical examiner's report released Wednesday says 25-year-old Lynn Jennifer Groesbeck had Clonazepam, marijuana, morphine, codeine and hydromorphone in her system when she died.
Police offices initially found marijuana and an unmarked pill bottle in Groesbeck's purse along with a syringe, CBS affiliate KUTV reports.
According to the report, Groesbeck took Klonipin the night of her death and her father, Chad Groesbeck, told her she shouldn't drive home.
Lynn Groesbeck assured him she was fine, but he made sure baby Lily was property secured in her car seat they left.
The KUTV reports link in my previous post says this:
Quote:The Spanish Fork police report detailed a pathology report from the medical examiner that listed the cause of death and drugs in Lynn Jennifer Groesbeck, 25, that included clonazepam, THC and morphine.
Does that mean the report said the cause of death was the drugs? (Rather than the crash the police officer said.)
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