Reincarnation Cases

If we agree that time is an illusion, then how can there be "reincarnation"? Reincarnation requires a death, a release of spirit, a choosing to take on a new energy form (human since we are discussing discarnates), entering that new incarnation...this is the pathway of time. This is what "past lives" and "future lives" as terms requires....time.

Yes time doesn't exist. Id there is no time, then we have the Now, the eternal moment. Where reincarnation cannot be possible.

What do you make of the cases?

I am also quite sure however, that in our incarnated state, we are probably cognitively incapable of comprehending most of how reality works. It is quite literally beyond our ability to comprehend. I suppose it will have to suffice to understand little pieces here and there, and to assemble an understanding that, although horribly incomplete, is vastly expanded from what most people experience in their day-to-day life.

Maybe a deeper and more accurate understanding of time from our material life perspective is possible, but my instinct is that this full understanding, if it ever happens, is far in the future, as time is so ingrained in our evolutionary cognitive machinery. 

OTOH: I think we may have a fantastically improved understanding of these things when we are aware in the non-physical realm and can apparently see it more clearly.

See my sig.

If you wish to have a physical experience where you limit yourself as indicated above, that is a perfectly valid way of moving along your path.

What do you make of the cases?

Stevenson et al? Most excellent research...when viewed from a 'time is real' POV. 

When approached from a 'time is an illusion' POV, they are pointing to the validity of our constantly accessing parallel realities (potential alternate reality examinations   ) to tap into all kinds of data that is relevant to our physical experience.

Stevenson et al? Most excellent research...when viewed from a 'time is real' POV. 

When approached from a 'time is an illusion' POV, they are pointing to the validity of our constantly accessing parallel realities (potential alternate reality examinations   ) to tap into all kinds of data that is relevant to our physical experience.

I also think it is excellent research, if I may borrow your term. 

What are the implications of your scenario in which time is an "illusion"? I realize that might be a tedious question to attempt to answer, and is also broad, so forgive me.

If we agree that time is an illusion, then how can there be "reincarnation"? Reincarnation requires a death, a release of spirit, a choosing to take on a new energy form (human since we are discussing discarnates), entering that new incarnation...this is the pathway of time. This is what "past lives" and "future lives" as terms requires....time.

Yes time doesn't exist. Id there is no time, then we have the Now, the eternal moment. Where reincarnation cannot be possible.

If we agreed that "time was an illusion" you may have a point there. But we are not in agreement on that point. 

Again: my understanding is that we have an incorrect view of what time is: not that it doesn't exist.

See my sig.

If you wish to have a physical experience where you limit yourself as indicated above, that is a perfectly valid way of moving along your path.

I'm missing your point: how am I "limiting" myself? 

Is it by admitting that I have not yet, and may never reach, full comprehension of how our reality works? Perhaps.

But I chose that approach rather than the arrogant mindset that I can, and will, figure everything out, because I really am that incredibly smart, and all powerful. 

I guess I choose humility over arrogance. It's served me well so far and seems to fit my disposition. To each our own approach I guess.

Pssst Wrote: [url=http://psiencequest.net/forums/post-2238.html#pid2238][/url]Stevenson et al? Most excellent research...when viewed from a 'time is real' POV. 

When approached from a 'time is an illusion' POV, they are pointing to the validity of our constantly accessing parallel realities (potential alternate reality examinations  [Image: cool.png] ) to tap into all kinds of data that is relevant to our physical experience.

I also think it is excellent research, if I may borrow your term. 

What are the implications of your scenario in which time is an "illusion"? I realize that might be a tedious question to attempt to answer, and is also broad, so forgive me.

Nothing to forgive.

Time is an illusion we create so to experience the /process/ of that experience. As infinite beings, we originate and co-habit 'places' that are timeless i.e. there is NO process. All thoughts, expressions, etc. happen instantaneously.

We incarnate here because of the /process/. So unique that it is.

The implications are that once you come to the POV that time is illusionary, then you have to very strictly examine the high probability that you create that illusion.

Pssst Wrote: [url=http://psiencequest.net/forums/post-2232.html#pid2232][/url]If we agree that time is an illusion, then how can there be "reincarnation"? Reincarnation requires a death, a release of spirit, a choosing to take on a new energy form (human since we are discussing discarnates), entering that new incarnation...this is the pathway of time. This is what "past lives" and "future lives" as terms requires....time.

Yes time doesn't exist. Id there is no time, then we have the Now, the eternal moment. Where reincarnation cannot be possible.

If we agreed that "time was an illusion" you may have a point there. But we are not in agreement on that point. 

Again: my understanding is that we have an incorrect view of what time is: not that it doesn't exist.

Explore that view of yours!

I'm missing your point: how am I "limiting" myself? 

You limited yourself when you incarnated in this physical reality by choice. You can also choose to begin to ignore those self-imposed limitations (one of the reasons to incarnate here is to experience the limitation and make choices re: it), learn who you really are, and drop the limiting environment that you have created (chosen) for yourself.

But I chose that approach rather than the arrogant mindset that I can, and will, figure everything out, because I really am that incredibly smart, and all powerful. I guess I choose humility over arrogance. It's served me well so far and seems to fit my disposition. To each our own approach I guess.

Yes, each to their own.

It's not arrogance, knowledge is never arrogant or elitist or prideful.