Non-Survivalist View of Death

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I'm always interested in hearing different people's views on death. Here's one from  
Professor of Anatomy and Forensic Anthropology - Sue Black

I suppose she is mostly a 'don't know', rather than a strict 'non-survivalist'.

In some ways she seems to be echoing the ideas of Peter Fenwick - such as preparing for death as one would prepare for a long journey, and wanting to experience every moment of the process of dying. But with much of the related phenomena (death-bed visions and so on) stripped out.

For me the most interesting part of the interview was towards the later part, but the rest may be of interest - depending on taste.

(Of course the sceptics may argue that she has written a book and therefore cannot be trusted Wink  )
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(2018-07-09, 09:52 AM)Typoz Wrote: I'm always interested in hearing different people's views on death. Here's one from  
Professor of Anatomy and Forensic Anthropology - Sue Black

I suppose she is mostly a 'don't know', rather than a strict 'non-survivalist'.

In some ways she seems to be echoing the ideas of Peter Fenwick - such as preparing for death as one would prepare for a long journey, and wanting to experience every moment of the process of dying. But with much of the related phenomena (death-bed visions and so on) stripped out.

For me the most interesting part of the interview was towards the later part, but the rest may be of interest - depending on taste.

(Of course the sceptics may argue that she has written a book and therefore cannot be trusted Wink  )

Interesting, Typoz

I think people in her position (particularly this side of the pond) are quite naturally reluctant to say something controversial (which is of course at odds with her scientific training). However, if she is being honest and she really hasn't had any experiences in and around the 'dead' and 'dying' which caused her to wonder, I would find that hard to believe. 

The American forensic pathologist Janice Amatuzio has written extensively about such events. Amatuzio is a little bit over the top for me and I don't care for her compassionate label (The Compassionate Coroner) because that immediately suggests that other coroners might not be. 

The near death experience she reports here is maybe a bit too much for me to accept without corroboration (if I'm honest), but she's collected so many strange cases down the years (other than NDE's), they can't all be delusions. 

 https://bolstablog.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/amatuzio/
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(2018-07-09, 01:55 PM)tim Wrote: Interesting, Typoz

I think people in her position (particularly this side of the pond) are quite naturally reluctant to say something controversial (which is of course at odds with her scientific training). However, if she is being honest and she really hasn't had any experiences in and around the 'dead' and 'dying' which caused her to wonder, I would find that hard to believe. 

The American forensic pathologist Janice Amatuzio has written extensively about such events. Amatuzio is a little bit over the top for me and I don't care for her compassionate label (The Compassionate Coroner) because that immediately suggests that other coroners might not be. 

The near death experience she reports here is maybe a bit too much for me to accept without corroboration (if I'm honest), but she's collected so many strange cases down the years (other than NDE's), they can't all be delusions. 

 https://bolstablog.wordpress.com/2009/08/22/amatuzio/

"However, if she is being honest and she really hasn't had any experiences in and around the 'dead' and 'dying' which caused her to wonder, I would find that hard to believe. "
In Sue Black's defence though, much of her professional work involves dealing with human remains, after the event. Unlike for example nurses or hospice workers who have the opportunity to interact much earlier.

The NDE described by Janice Amatuzio sounds broadly similar, at least in some points, if not as a whole, to many recorded say on the NDERF site, but I take your point about the need for corroboration.

I'm not familiar with her work, I can see your reservations on the compassionate label, though perhaps it isn't describing herself, but an ideal she and others may aim for. (I don't know, I could be wrong here)
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