Steve Taylor, Author & Lecturer in Psychology tweeted:
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]There a lot of popular scientists who I admire like @theAliceRoberts and @jimalkhalili who are (rightly) critical of religion without realising that they have adopted a belief system of their own (materialism) based on assumptions e.g. that consciousness is produced by the brain.[/font][/font]
Prof Alice Roberts TV scientist (female Brian Cox) tweeted in response:
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]The belief we have in science as the most powerful way of understanding the world around us, and ourselves, is founded on an extremely good track record of having done just that in the past. And thinking that consciousness resides anywhere else than the brain is frankly bonkers![/font][/font]
[font=.SF UI Text][font=.SFUIText]A scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.[/font][/font]
Max Planck (I reckon he might have tweeted this in response to Roberts)
Oh my God, I hate all this.
(This post was last modified: 2019-05-22, 06:07 PM by Stan Woolley.)
That’s what I get for copying and pasting stuff.
Attempted to edit it - no luck. Sorry.
Oh my God, I hate all this.
I tend to mostly like Alice Roberts and Jim Al-Khalili. I think maybe where such people may go wrong is in reaching out beyond their own areas of expertise, making claims based on hearsay rather than actual study.
(2019-05-22, 05:06 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: "And thinking that consciousness resides anywhere else than the brain is frankly bonkers!"
A compelling argument!
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(2019-05-23, 05:32 AM)Max_B Wrote: Yeah, but it's partially right...
This wasn’t really the point I was trying to make Max, it’s not whether Alice is right or wrong. Describing others ideas as ‘bonkers’ is to dismiss millions of deep thinkers including renowned scientists. Would she have called Max Planck bonkers to his face?
Is she really open to new ideas? Scientists should never be totally dismissive. It’s such arrogance that has held us back for many decades imo.
Oh my God, I hate all this.
(2019-05-23, 07:57 AM)Stan Woolley Wrote: This wasn’t really the point I was trying to make Max, it’s not whether Alice is right or wrong. Describing others ideas as ‘bonkers’ is to dismiss millions of deep thinkers including renowned scientists. Would she have called Max Planck bonkers to his face?
Is she really open to new ideas? Scientists should never be totally dismissive. It’s such arrogance that has held us back for many decades imo.
(Professor) Alice Roberts seems to be a pleasant enough academic/secular humanist. I read through some of her comments on twitter however and just the like 90% (?) of the rest of academia, obviously knows 'diddly squat' about near death experience research and if pressed to address it, would probably laugh like a drain, just as her undergraduates would do (or should I say would have to do or they wouldn't graduate with a first or maybe not at all)
Consciousness without a brain=Fairies and Unicorns=you sad bastards (basically)
And that's about where we are apart from outside academia. Would Alice Roberts ever change her tune ? No, because she'd lose her hard won status/salary as a smart, attractive, professor of the tenets of materialism. Alice doesn't waste her time pondering the possibility of life after death. That was consigned to the dustbin along with all other superstitious nonsense, hundreds of years ago.
(This post was last modified: 2019-05-23, 09:32 AM by tim.)
Bernardo Kastrup joined in. Here is the twitter thread, I think it’s interesting.
https://twitter.com/theAliceRoberts/stat...1208112128
Oh my God, I hate all this.
(2019-05-25, 12:05 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: Bernardo Kastrup joined in. Here is the twitter thread, I think it’s interesting.
https://twitter.com/theAliceRoberts/stat...1208112128
Sceptical as I am about post mortem survival and associated things, I do think that some scientists tend to rush in with very naive and simplistic opinions about these questions. I think they should have a bit more humility and acknowledge that people much cleverer than they are have considered the subject carefully without coming to the conclusion that one side of the argument is "bonkers." And really I think they should recognise that philosophy is an academic discipline with a long history and a large established body of knowledge, and that the possession of a Ph.D. in physics or anatomy doesn't qualify them to pronounce on questions outside their area of expertise.
(2019-05-25, 12:05 PM)Stan Woolley Wrote: Bernardo Kastrup joined in. Here is the twitter thread, I think it’s interesting.
https://twitter.com/theAliceRoberts/stat...1208112128
I do like how he doesn't mince words and just says what he thinks.
Quote:For a Prof. of Public Engagement in Science (whatever that may mean) to say something so outright stupid as her last sentence, is a sign of the sickness our culture is succumbing to.
And of course she responds with the woo word.
(This post was last modified: 2019-05-25, 02:26 PM by Ninshub.)
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