Is it the brain that produces dreams?

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(2017-09-24, 12:28 PM)Obiwan Wrote: It seems to play an important role in recall  for the physical human being that’s for sure. Exactly what its role is in the storage of memories is anyone’s guess as far as I can see. That’s without even considering the implications of NDE phenomena and after-death communications.

It definitely plays an important role during awake states. I have had unbelievable recall during lucid dreams so there is something that changes when not in normal awake state. Can't put my finger on it yet,,, but working on it.
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(2017-09-24, 01:11 PM)tim Wrote: Your basic fault is assuming the testimonial provided by Reynolds and Speltzer is an accurate accounting. Smile

You see, that's the beauty of it,,, there are a thousand other NDE and OBE stories that one can just as easily point to. You can't discount all of them, and retain any semblance of objectivity or credibility. 

Something on the order of 3% of the entire population has had an experience of this type. That's MILLIONS of people. Are you going to wave your hand and call all of those stories fake?
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(2017-09-24, 02:03 PM)Steve001 Wrote: I make such assumption because every animal with a complex brain exhibits complex behaviors and cognition  Animals without do not. Take for example  *Einstein's brain had more glial cells than an average brain. Further reading: http://scientificbrains.com/5-reaons-why...elligence/ 
Where in the heck did you get the grossly mistaken thought the brain plays host to the soul from me? The soul is an unproven belief.


*https://www.inc.com/mithu-storoni/what-einsteins-brain-tells-us-about-intelligence-a.html

snip- Where in the heck did you get the grossly mistaken thought the brain plays host to the soul from me?

Sorry there are a hundred or more people on this forum, it's a rather difficult task to keep everyone's particular world view in crystal clarity..

snip- every animal with a complex brain exhibits complex behaviors and cognition  Animals without do not. 
Show me some cause and effect evidence. That is simply a something we are inferring from what we have seen but don't understand. 

Also, I have already pointed to HUMANS without a complex brain, that have gotten passing grades in college. So although yes, we may have drawn some theoretical relationship between brain size and complexity, there are too many exceptions to call it a rule. The truth of the matter is: we have no idea how the brain works, and all of your claims don't really change that fact.
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(2017-09-24, 03:16 PM)jkmac Wrote: You see, that's the beauty of it,,, there are a thousand other NDE and OBE stories that one can just as easily point to. You can't discount all of them, and retain any semblance of objectivity or credibility. 

Something on the order of 3% of the entire population has had an experience of this type. That's MILLIONS of people. Are you going to wave your hand and call all of those stories fake?

Not me, Jkmac I'm a proponent. The Reynolds case is 100 % sound and it always was. Ideological sceptics told lies and spread misinformation about it because they didn't like the implications of what it meant. I guess my post wasn't immediately clear. I wasn't supporting Steve's statement, I was smiling because I know it to be false.
(2017-09-24, 03:24 PM)Max_B Wrote: Again, your comments don't really touch what I've said...

Gotta tell you Max. You saying that doesn't make it so.

I specifically spoke to a quote from your post. You saying that it doesn't "touch" what you said makes no sense to me. 

So I guess it's time for me to just walk away from the conversation and let others draw whatever conclusions they wish.

For those others who wish to delved further into this, I'm certainly willing.
(2017-09-24, 03:26 PM)tim Wrote: Not me, Jkmac I'm a proponent. The Reynolds case is 100 % sound and it always was. Ideological sceptics told lies and spread misinformation about it because they didn't like the implications of what it meant. I guess my post wasn't immediately clear. I wasn't supporting Steve's statement, I was smiling because I know it to be false.
Sorry. Didn't know you were being sarcastic... That's the trouble with keyboards and screens.. They can't smile back at you very well...  Wink
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(2017-09-24, 03:25 PM)jkmac Wrote: snip- Where in the heck did you get the grossly mistaken thought the brain plays host to the soul from me?

Sorry there are a hundred or more people on this forum, it's a rather difficult task to keep everyone's particular world view in crystal clarity..

snip- every animal with a complex brain exhibits complex behaviors and cognition  Animals without do not. 
Show me some cause and effect evidence. That is simply a something we are inferring from what we have seen but don't understand. 

Also, I have already pointed to HUMANS without a complex brain, that have gotten passing grades in college. So although yes, we may have drawn some theoretical relationship between brain size and complexity, there are too many exceptions to call it a rule. The truth of the matter is: we have no idea how the brain works, and all of your claims don't really change that fact.

And you have even less of an idea how non local consciousness works, but that doesn't stop you for one moment. Mine aren't empty claims.
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