Is it the brain that produces dreams?

It seems to play an important role in recall  for the physical human being that’s for sure. Exactly what its role is in the storage of memories is anyone’s guess as far as I can see. That’s without even considering the implications of NDE phenomena and after-death communications.

It definitely plays an important role during awake states. I have had unbelievable recall during lucid dreams so there is something that changes when not in normal awake state. Can't put my finger on it yet,,, but working on it.

Your basic fault is assuming the testimonial provided by Reynolds and Speltzer is an accurate accounting.

You see, that's the beauty of it,,, there are a thousand other NDE and OBE stories that one can just as easily point to. You can't discount all of them, and retain any semblance of objectivity or credibility. 

Something on the order of 3% of the entire population has had an experience of this type. That's MILLIONS of people. Are you going to wave your hand and call all of those stories fake?

OK. So let's just take just the first sentence of your post and break it down.

snip- brain's and neurons don't seem to be essential to organisms, so the non-functiong brain argument, may not be as relevant as we think. There are simple organisms (i.e. Paramecium) which don't contain any neurons at all

So you are asserting that the brain is not the most complex organ ever found by man. It is NOT the most powererfull processing machine of any type mankind has ever studied. 

Again, your comments don't really touch what I've said...

I make such assumption because every animal with a complex brain exhibits complex behaviors and cognition  Animals without do not. Take for example  *Einstein's brain had more glial cells than an average brain. Further reading: http://scientificbrains.com/5-reaons-why...elligence/ 
Where in the heck did you get the grossly mistaken thought the brain plays host to the soul from me? The soul is an unproven belief.


*https://www.inc.com/mithu-storoni/what-einsteins-brain-tells-us-about-intelligence-a.html

snip- Where in the heck did you get the grossly mistaken thought the brain plays host to the soul from me?

Sorry there are a hundred or more people on this forum, it's a rather difficult task to keep everyone's particular world view in crystal clarity..

snip- every animal with a complex brain exhibits complex behaviors and cognition  Animals without do not. 
Show me some cause and effect evidence. That is simply a something we are inferring from what we have seen but don't understand. 

Also, I have already pointed to HUMANS without a complex brain, that have gotten passing grades in college. So although yes, we may have drawn some theoretical relationship between brain size and complexity, there are too many exceptions to call it a rule. The truth of the matter is: we have no idea how the brain works, and all of your claims don't really change that fact.

You see, that's the beauty of it,,, there are a thousand other NDE and OBE stories that one can just as easily point to. You can't discount all of them, and retain any semblance of objectivity or credibility. 

Something on the order of 3% of the entire population has had an experience of this type. That's MILLIONS of people. Are you going to wave your hand and call all of those stories fake?

Not me, Jkmac I'm a proponent. The Reynolds case is 100 % sound and it always was. Ideological sceptics told lies and spread misinformation about it because they didn't like the implications of what it meant. I guess my post wasn't immediately clear. I wasn't supporting Steve's statement, I was smiling because I know it to be false.

Again, your comments don't really touch what I've said...

Gotta tell you Max. You saying that doesn't make it so.

I specifically spoke to a quote from your post. You saying that it doesn't "touch" what you said makes no sense to me. 

So I guess it's time for me to just walk away from the conversation and let others draw whatever conclusions they wish.

For those others who wish to delved further into this, I'm certainly willing.

Not me, Jkmac I'm a proponent. The Reynolds case is 100 % sound and it always was. Ideological sceptics told lies and spread misinformation about it because they didn't like the implications of what it meant. I guess my post wasn't immediately clear. I wasn't supporting Steve's statement, I was smiling because I know it to be false.

Sorry. Didn't know you were being sarcastic... That's the trouble with keyboards and screens.. They can't smile back at you very well... 

I don't think you're off your rocker but I've never been able to understand how you can ignore the simpler explanation that fits the data (disembodied minds) and is in accordance with the people who report it, for your theory which has to endow brain cells with (no electrical activity after 10-20 seconds) with ultra-monumental capabilities that stretch the imagination way beyond breaking point.

Where as I don't understand why you ignore easily available evidence of neuron-less organisms which exhibit apparently intelligent behavior. If these organisms don't have any neurons, then they can't have any measurable neuron firing. So here are these organisms, exhibiting intelligent behavior, and they do so without any neuron firing - yet the measurement of neuron firing, is the very criteria you use to claim nothing is, and nothing can, be going on in the brain after "...after 10-20 seconds...", because scalp EEG (which measures neuron firing) is flat.

snip- Where in the heck did you get the grossly mistaken thought the brain plays host to the soul from me?

Sorry there are a hundred or more people on this forum, it's a rather difficult task to keep everyone's particular world view in crystal clarity..

snip- every animal with a complex brain exhibits complex behaviors and cognition  Animals without do not. 
Show me some cause and effect evidence. That is simply a something we are inferring from what we have seen but don't understand. 

Also, I have already pointed to HUMANS without a complex brain, that have gotten passing grades in college. So although yes, we may have drawn some theoretical relationship between brain size and complexity, there are too many exceptions to call it a rule. The truth of the matter is: we have no idea how the brain works, and all of your claims don't really change that fact.

And you have even less of an idea how non local consciousness works, but that doesn't stop you for one moment. Mine aren't empty claims.

Gotta tell you Max. You saying that doesn't make it so.

I specifically spoke to a quote from your post. You saying that it doesn't "touch" what you said makes no sense to me. 

So I guess it's time for me to just walk away from the conversation and let others draw whatever conclusions they wish.

For those others who wish to delved further into this, I'm certainly willing.

You just haven't understood what I've said, that's all.