From Skeptic to Believer: News Anchor Gets a First Time Reading from a Medium

snip- Unfortunately it seems to me that no test of communication with the deceased could be created that would eliminate the claim that the actual sitter's mind is being "read"

OK. Lets look at the list.

The skeptic responds as follows-
1- Direct voice. The skeptic simply says the medium used a concocted accent to confirm information that the sitter knows. Telepathy 
2- Full form. Whatever trick the medium used to create the fake form is explained away, and information is explained by telepathy. 
3- Trance. Whatever information the concocted voice passes on is gained by telepathy from whatever person knows it.
4- Mental mediumship and info the nobody knows. Sorry already discussed this one. And it is the most fun. In the rare case of information that is known by no living person (I can point to lots of examples of this), the skeptic simply points to super psi with lots of breathless references to quantum entanglement, and people's electromagnetic images, in the form of light, existing forever, flying away from earth at the speed of light.

Actually the skeptic can point to super psi in all of these cases. In fact the skeptic can point to the completely fictitious super psi in response to any possible veridical mediumship case you could conjure up. 

Not one, not a one of the so-called pre-biased sceptics, have ever emerged from any of the 100s of PM demonstrations that I have attended, lead by any of the traveling modern mediums, not one has ever emerged remaining a sceptic.

You know, it is hilarious to watch threads where NO ONE has ever attended a PM seance. Yet so many experts.

ROFL

Good stuff. Was tempted to talk more about OBE here, but maybe I will see if there is a technique thread and start one if not.

I started this thread for anyone that is interested in talking specifically about OBE techniques.

http://psiencequest.net/forums/thread-231.html

Cool. I'll check it out.

Empathy. You cannot be (know, understand, interpret) what you are not the vibration of...first.

Next question.

Hate that answer. Hope the next is better.

So if someone says something that is just plain stupid, that means it isn't stupid, you just dont understand because you are not of that vibration? 

Wow. I think that this approach may make sense in certain instances, but as a general rule of thumb? I think it is silly. To which a "believer" would reply,, yes, but the reason you feel that way is because of your incorrect vibration. 

Doesn't seem like this system leads to very useful conversation. Do you find that?

Not one, not a one of the so-called pre-biased sceptics, have ever emerged from any of the 100s of PM demonstrations that I have attended, lead by any of the traveling modern mediums, not one has ever emerged remaining a sceptic.

You know, it is hilarious to watch threads where NO ONE has ever attended a PM seance. Yet so many experts.

ROFL

Your spot on there.

But really, it's because they are hard to find.

Sort of like US based Ayahuasca ceremonies. They exist, but are very hard to track down on the web (for understandable reasons).

I would like to be exposed to a demonstration of physical mediumship. Can you point me in the right direction?

Your spot on there. But really, it's because they are hard to find.

Sort of like US based Ayahuasca ceremonies. They exist, but are very hard to track down on the web (for understandable reasons). I would like to be exposed to a demonstration of physical mediumship. Can you point me in the right direction?

Here are the modern, traveling PMs

Kai Muegge
Warren Caylor
Mychael Shane
David Thompson

There are others - Warfield Moose for example - but these are the most prevalent. They prefer not to post their future appearances on their respective websites for two reasons. HTML-challenged and security.

If you are serious, drop me a PM as to your location and I will point you to who is nearest or most accessible.

Pssst Wrote: [url=http://psiencequest.net/forums/post-2528.html#pid2528][/url]Empathy. You cannot be (know, understand, interpret) what you are not the vibration of...first.

Next question.

Hate that answer. Hope the next is better.

So if someone says something that is just plain stupid, that means it isn't stupid, you just dont understand because you are not of that vibration? 

Wow. I think that this approach may make sense in certain instances, but as a general rule of thumb? I think it is silly. To which a "believer" would reply,, yes, but the reason you feel that way is because of your incorrect vibration. 

Doesn't seem like this system leads to very useful conversation. Do you find that?

It means that the basis for telepathy is actually teleMpathy i.e. you have to be on the same wavelength as the person you are attempting or accidentally connecting with. Literally. There is no 'reading of minds' in telempathy.

Everything gets down to vibration, frequency, EVERYthing and telempathy is no different.

What you believe sets your vibration. Seeing is not believing, just the opposite.

I have found that living is a very, very simple proposition and understanding the vibrational components of it clears the air. We have been given, again VERY literally, the instruction manual for living and it is a paragraph or two at best in length. It is all about state of being (vibration) and what you choose to observe about what comes about in physical reality. Nothing about circumstances.

It means that the basis for telepathy is actually teleMpathy i.e. you have to be on the same wavelength as the person you are attempting or accidentally connecting with. Literally. There is no 'reading of minds' in telempathy.

Everything gets down to vibration, frequency, EVERYthing and telempathy is no different.

What you believe sets your vibration. Seeing is not believing, just the opposite.

I have found that living is a very, very simple proposition and understanding the vibrational components of it clears the air. We have been given, again VERY literally, the instruction manual for living and it is a paragraph or two at best in length. It is all about state of being (vibration) and what you choose to observe about what comes about in physical reality. Nothing about circumstances.

Interesting.

All the talk about "vibration" has always seemed like some bad or at least imperfect metaphor to me. As if the person who developed the analogy didn't really even understand what vibration frequencies are. Probably unfortunately, I'm an electrical engineer, so I know what they are. Are you saying I should be thinking of it as a literal thing?

Where could you point me for the clearest cleanest most useful explanation of the concept?

Interesting.

All the talk about "vibration" has always seemed like some bad or at least imperfect metaphor to me. As if the person who developed the analogy didn't really even understand what vibration frequencies are. Probably unfortunately, I'm an electrical engineer, so I know what they are. Are you saying I should be thinking of it as a literal thing?

Where could you point me for the clearest cleanest most useful explanation of the concept?

I attend more aery-faery New Age horseshit events than I should rightfully admit to and the words vibration, frequency, oscillation, etc. are tossed around without any clue as to what they actually mean. So I get where you are coming from.

I have a layman's version of what vibration actually is so there is not much I can tell you that you don't already know about what vibration and frequency are in physical reality.

I am being very literal. The matching of frequency - like two alike tuning forks, one still, one plucked, both vibrate at the same rate - is the key to telempathy. The vibration comes from our energetic existence, analogous to a holographic version of All That Is. Like two lovers who empathetically know what each other is going to say, complete each other's thoughts (thoughts are energetic constructs). 

Maybe this would be of help.  Vibrational resonance or: Noncausal reality kinetics

Here is something interesting. We are seen by ET as vibrating at ~ 150Khz, at 220Khz +/- a being becomes quasi-physical, at 330Khz, fully non-physical. 

I attend more aery-faery New Age horseshit events than I should rightfully admit to and the words vibration, frequency, oscillation, etc. are tossed around without any clue as to what they actually mean. So I get where you are coming from.

I have a layman's version of what vibration actually is so there is not much I can tell you that you don't already know about what vibration and frequency are in physical reality.

I am being very literal. The matching of frequency - like two alike tuning forks, one still, one plucked, both vibrate at the same rate - is the key to telempathy. The vibration comes from our energetic existence, analogous to a holographic version of All That Is. Like two lovers who empathetically know what each other is going to say, complete each other's thoughts (thoughts are energetic constructs). 

Maybe this would be of help.  Vibrational resonance or: Noncausal reality kinetics

Here is something interesting. We are seen by ET as vibrating at ~ 150Khz, at 220Khz +/- a being becomes quasi-physical, at 330Khz, fully non-physical. 

Thanks. 

Looks like that site will take some time to digest. I'll spend some time there and see if things make sense.

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Here's another recent video along the same lines as the first one: