Evidence for paranormal aspects in NDEs

It's kind of odd (at least it is to me) how anyone could read that little OBE report from Vanessa and not be impressed by it. Every way I look at it, it's impossible to explain unless of course it didn't happen that way.

In the end, that is something that can (and will be) claimed by a skeptic.

Really there is an almost infinite supply of contention points that can be dreamed up. 

Sounds like fun being a skeptic, almost wish I were one some days,, what with the fact that you always have another argument in your bag of tricks. And if you ever run out, you can just use the old standby and say: someone is lying...  

Although, come to think of it, maybe not so fun. It's really too easy in many ways to stay interesting. 

Think of it: how long would it remain fun to shoot fish in a barrel, or take candy from that baby???  Devil

In the end, that is something that can (and will be) claimed by a skeptic.

Really there is an almost infinite supply of contention points that can be dreamed up. 

Sounds like fun being a skeptic, almost wish I were one some days,, what with the fact that you always have another argument in your bag of tricks. And if you ever run out, you can just use the old standby and say: someone is lying...  

Although, come to think of it, maybe not so fun. It's really too easy in many ways to stay interesting. 

Think of it: how long would it remain fun to shoot fish in a barrel, or take candy from that baby???  Devil

I'm looking forward to the day Malf and the gang are forced to admit they were wrong. And I guess they're looking forward to the opposite. Until then, we just have to wait.

I'm looking forward to the day Malf and the gang are forced to admit they were wrong. And I guess they're looking forward to the opposite. Until then, we just have to wait.

If they are honest brokers, maybe that day will come. It did for me...

Hi, Titus

"Until now, however, not one patient—in this or any of the previous studies—has observed the visual targets.
 In other words, experimentally, even this most recent study has not yet produced evidence of an experimental
nature. Parnia (2013)"

As far as I understand it (and I may be wrong of course) the only patient (in a prospective study) who has had an OBE
in a research area, or an area where there was a hidden target, is Penny Sartori's patient 10. And he claimed that he "didn't twist his 'head' around that way, apparently.

I agree with the vast majority of what you've said there but I feel very confident that now the 'target' (laptop on a pole) is being taken to the patient, someone will eventually see it. The 'sceptical' crowd are not honest in this regard, they always incorrectly (on purpose in my opinion) state that no one saw the targets and therefore the experiment failed, when it's just not true.

This is also my expectation, tim, and it would be welcome, of course. However, we should not focus on it too much, because that would mean all corroborated cases are worthless. We must realize the materialists have already lost the game, when we look at the evidence, and we don't have to wait for semi-experimental evidence.

Personally speaking 'Paranormal' is just a label for something we don't understand... there are masses of scientific studies that show reproducible effects in organisms that are not well understood, and a load more effects that are not understood and unique, or difficult to reproduce. Eventually people will come up with a way of understanding these effects, and incorporate them into the scientific literature. I think it's going to be difficult to get very far with hospital studies, it's just not an ideal environment to conduct experiments, we can't control them at all well.

Hi Max,

By "Paranormal" we mean clearly linked to the mind, consciousness or the psyche, and at the same time inexplicable by & incompatible with physicalist theories of reality.