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Eric Wargo on retrocausation

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#41
(2020-01-10, 09:14 PM)Chris Wrote: But is the objection to that anything more than a matter of taste?

I don't think logic is a matter of taste?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell
#42
(2020-01-10, 09:16 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: I don't think logic is a matter of taste?

I just don't understand what the logical objection is.

Can you put it in a nutshell?
#43
(2020-01-10, 09:21 PM)Chris Wrote: I just don't understand what the logical objection is.

Can you put it in a nutshell?

A time-loop means there is some information that is generated by its own existence in the future.

This is akin to being your own grandfather, a logical impossibility.

The only way this could work is if the loop just exists all at once in a reality where Past-Present-Future all exist. Barring an entity that makes the universe this way - an idea which is rife with its own problems - it's a Something-from-Nothing event. Thus it's not possible.
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell
#44
(2020-01-10, 09:29 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: A time-loop means there is some information that is generated by its own existence in the future.

This is akin to being your own grandfather, a logical impossibility.

The only way this could work is if the loop just exists all at once in a reality where Past-Present-Future all exist. Barring an entity that makes the universe this way - an idea which is rife with its own problems - it's a Something-from-Nothing event. Thus it's not possible.

I would describe that as just something you find unbelievable, not a logical impossibility. There's no logical contradiction there.
#45
(2020-01-10, 09:35 PM)Chris Wrote: I would describe that as just something you find unbelievable, not a logical impossibility. There's no logical contradiction there.

Something from Nothing is a logical contradiction?
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell
#46
(2020-01-10, 09:49 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Something from Nothing is a logical contradiction?

I think we'll have to agree to differ about this. But thank you for clarifying.
#47
(2020-01-10, 10:04 PM)Chris Wrote: I think we'll have to agree to differ about this. But thank you for clarifying.

I'm not sure what we are differing on but ok...
'Historically, we may regard materialism as a system of dogma set up to combat orthodox dogma...Accordingly we find that, as ancient orthodoxies disintegrate, materialism more and more gives way to scepticism.'

- Bertrand Russell
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#49
Eric Wargo is now "Big in Japan." Here is an interview with him on a Japanese podcast called "Real Rover " belonging to one John Craig. Wargo describes it as a fun conversation about "retrocausation, alchemy, Zen, and the Long Self that precognition gives access to":

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