Duke University researchers say every brain activity study you’ve ever read is wrong

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Duke University researchers say every brain activity study you’ve ever read is wrong

Arianne Cohen


Quote:You know all those studies about brain activity? The ones that reveal thought patterns and feelings as a person performs a task? There’s a problem: The measurement they’re based on is inaccurate, according to a study out of Duke University that is rocking the field.

Functional MRI machines (fMRIs) are excellent at determining the brain structures involved in a task. For example, a study asking 50 people to count or remember names while undergoing an fMRI scan would accurately identify which parts of the brain are active during the task.

Brain scans showing functional MRI mapping for three tasks across two different days. Warm colors show the high consistency of activation levels across a group of people. Cool colors represent how poorly unique patterns of activity can be reliably measured in individuals. View image larger here. [Image: Annchen Knodt/Duke University]The trouble is that when the same person is asked to do the same tasks weeks or months apart, the results vary wildly. This is likely because fMRIs don’t actually measure brain activity directly: They measure blood flow to regions of the brain, which is used as a proxy for brain activity because neurons in those regions are presumably more active. Blood flow levels, apparently, change. “The correlation between one scan and a second is not even fair, it’s poor,” says lead author Ahmad Hariri, a professor of neuroscience and psychology at Duke University.

The researchers reexamined 56 peer-reviewed, published papers that conducted 90 fMRI experiments, some by leaders in the field, and also looked at the results of so-called “test/retest” fMRIs, where 65 subjects were asked to do the same tasks months apart. They found that of seven measures of brain function, none had consistent readings.

This is a mouthful of dirt for hundreds of researchers—and Hariri is one of them. He has carried out fMRI research for 15 years, and is currently running a long-term fMRI study of 1,300 Duke students to discern why some come away from traumatic events with PTSD while others do not. “I’m going to throw myself under the bus,” he says. “This whole subbranch of fMRI could go extinct if we don’t address this critical limitation.”
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Well that's embarrassing. I think I saw Michael Egnor discuss this on MindMatters.

Edit: This is also the stuff Mark Mahin on his blogs had been warning readers about. There have been studies similar to this before!
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(2020-06-26, 05:42 PM)Sciborg_S_Patel Wrote: Duke University researchers say every brain activity study you’ve ever read is wrong

Arianne Cohen



Quote:I was trying to explain what BOLD was measuring to a friend yesterday... (i.e. BOLD = vascular increase, minus, oxygen utilisation), and it's limitations, because it measures neither of those two things, but only the difference between them.

Thus it's not clear which of those two things (or both) have altered from BOLD measurement to BOLD measurement, to produce an increase (or decrease) in the difference between them.

The best (inaccurate) analogy I could come up with was that BOLD was taking a snapshot of the number of petrol tankers waiting outside a neuron... Which were waiting to refuel it. Also, BOLD couldn't tell you how many tankers there were waiting outside the neuron at any one snapshot, all BOLD could tell you were whether the number of tankers had gone up (or down) in relation to a previous snapshot.

Dunno if that is useful to anybody...?

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/threads/ne...post-94669

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/posts/94712/

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/posts/94487/
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and...

http://www.skeptiko-forum.com/posts/23641/

Which never made any sense to me... when Graziano measured a single individual (shown in the presentation)... it was completely different from the final published results of many individuals...

All this sort of detailed fMRI work should be ploughed under as unreliable rubbish that has probably tainted our overall knowledge

EEG or MEG please... leave fMRI to medical professionals using it for appropriate medical diagnosis...
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It's been pointed out numerous times by several NDE researchers (for instance). I remember donkeys years ago, when they first developed magnetic resonance imaging. And the joyous reception from materialists announcing that consciousness had now been officially mapped.
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Haha, I thought this was well known. Feels good to be ahead of the curve I guess.
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