Does NDE research fulfil the quality criteria of medical studies?
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(2020-06-05, 12:26 AM)Max_B Wrote: I don't know why your protesting... it's a perfectly reasonable point that I made. It's not reasonable at all. What you've written is mischievous gobbledegook ! Max said >"It’s possible to argue that some of these instances of seeing people not known to have died, would have been counted as seeing people who were alive, but that because they have subsequently died without the experients knowledge, this has given these persons presence in the experience, an elevated significance, which they may not deserve." Basically what your intimating, is that there's nothing special at all about experiencers seeing somebody in the afterlife/other dimension who they didn't know was dead, therefore equating it with the same level of (no) importance as seeing someone (in the other dimension) who is still alive. The data is pretty clear on this. When experiencers enter that other dimension (whatever it is, or isn't) they see people they know are dead, long since dead in many cases. When they also see someone who may just have died there is often great surprise to see them amongst the people they knew were dead. There's no confusion here. Why are you trying to muddy the water ?
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Max said >"During NDE's, experients also see persons who are still alive... so I have absolutely no clue why you are protesting... we don't know why experients see persons who are dead, or alive, or indeed strangers, who they can't identify at all."
The vast majority of the people seen during NDE's are dead. Fact. Are you referring to NDE's like the one in Peter Fenwick's book, Fabio, the boyfriend seen at the earthly end of the tunnel ? Give me an example from a reliable case that's been properly investigated. In my opinion, you're simply cherry picking anomalous cases to support your theory. People report NDE's using their memory. There are always going to be slight anomalies but we don't make a judgement of the validity of something based on those; we look at the data as a whole which is pretty clear.
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Yes I remember that well, Max. Very moving. I think I remember discussing it on Penny's blog with you, years ago.
Ben see's his favourite (alive) rapper during his experience. This (admittedly) does seem to occur with some youngsters and more so with children who sometimes report pets that are still alive etc. For me it's still an anomaly. You can't simply ignore that the vast majority do not see people that are alive. I think we could also bring Elvis in here and UFO's too. I get why you would use this NDE to support your case but you'd still only be (partially) cherry picking because Ben said he believed in angels and God (you don't). And if "god" was involved, then my guess would be that "god" put the rapper (King Cudi) there so that Ben would be comforted. But we're never going to know. Another point to bear in mind is, that one of the commonest messages/instructions (maybe the commonest) reported by NDEr's is.. go back, it's not your time ! I don't think there can be any doubt that. Implicit in that, is that everyone has a time to die. And that in itself validates the overwhelming majority consensus of the data.
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