Correlation vs Causation

malf · malf 2018-02-02, 05:50 PM

(2018-02-02, 05:36 PM)Silence Wrote: Wait. Do Kidney's know what it is to feel the color red?

Brains can’t either, until they have been exposed to that wavelength of light for a few weeks. (I’m including the retina as part of the brain.)

Typoz · Typoz 2018-02-02, 05:55 PM

(2018-02-02, 05:50 PM)malf Wrote: Brains can’t either, until they have been exposed to that wavelength of light for a few weeks. (I’m including the retina as part of the brain.)

You mean after those few weeks, the brain definitely has feelings?

#33 · Chris 2018-02-02, 05:57 PM Unregistered

(2018-02-02, 05:50 PM)malf Wrote: Brains can’t either, until they have been exposed to that wavelength of light for a few weeks. (I’m including the retina as part of the brain.)

As I'm feeling a bit prickly today, I'll ask what the evidence is for that. (Not the part in parentheses.)

malf · malf 2018-02-02, 06:10 PM

(2018-02-02, 05:57 PM)Chris Wrote: As I'm feeling a bit prickly today, I'll ask what the evidence is for that. (Not the part in parentheses.)

Start here, follow the references, or google your own. This is not contentious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_v...evelopment

malf · malf 2018-02-02, 06:13 PM

(2018-02-02, 05:55 PM)Typoz Wrote: You mean after those few weeks, the brain definitely has feelings?

For now I’m sticking to ‘the feeling of red’, or ‘colour perception’ to put it in less pseudo-profound terms Wink

#36 · Chris 2018-02-02, 06:23 PM Unregistered

(2018-02-02, 06:10 PM)malf Wrote: Start here, follow the references, or google your own. This is not contentious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_v...evelopment

It may not be contentious, but I certainly don't see it on that page, and I'm afraid I don't have the time to Google it.

I'll put it down as an unevidenced assertion, unless you can provide something more specific.

fls · fls 2018-02-02, 06:34 PM

(2018-02-02, 06:10 PM)malf Wrote: Start here, follow the references, or google your own. This is not contentious.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infant_v...evelopment

Is this what you were thinking of (from the section on “Color sensitivity”)?
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/full...all%3Dtrue

Linda

malf · malf 2018-02-02, 06:47 PM

(2018-02-02, 06:23 PM)Chris Wrote: It may not be contentious, but I certainly don't see it on that page, and I'm afraid I don't have the time to Google it.

I'll put it down as an unevidenced assertion, unless you can provide something more specific.

Did you not see the ‘colour sensitivity’ section? At least I gave you a starting point... I see no evidence for the objection you appear to be pulling out of your arse. I’m also a bit too busy for this exchange.

#39 · Chris 2018-02-02, 06:47 PM Unregistered

(2018-02-02, 06:34 PM)fls Wrote: Is this what you were thinking of (from the section on “Color sensitivity”)?
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/full...all%3Dtrue

Which page of the paper is that section on?

#40 · Chris 2018-02-02, 06:52 PM Unregistered

(2018-02-02, 06:47 PM)malf Wrote: Did you not see the ‘colour sensitivity’ section? At least I gave you a starting point... I see no evidence for the objection you appear to be pulling out of your arse. I’m also a bit too busy for this exchange.

Yes, of course I saw it. It says:

Color sensitivity improves steadily over the first year of life for humans due to strengthening of the cones of the eyes. ... There is a general debate among researchers with regards to the exact age that infants can detect different colors/chromatic stimuli due to important color factors such as brightness/luminance, saturation, and hue. Regardless of the exact timeline for when infants start to see particular colors, it is understood among researcher that infants' color sensitivity improves with age.

You may be busy - I am busy too - but frankly I don't think that's any excuse for rudeness.